Migrant Crisis

[DualityNSNO]

It's down to the EU to take a stand though on it all. They need to - for the first time - make a big decision which could affect thousands of lives. Accepting refugees is very different to accepting asylum seekers.

Doubt it's the first time the EU has faced immigration problems to be honest.

 

[peteblue]

Brought this on ourselves by not dealing with Syria and ISIS when we had the chance.

Passive foreign policy.

Exactly. And now all the bleeding heart politicians who would not allow intervention are screaming for something to be done.........

 

[peteblue]

Doubt it's the first time the EU has faced immigration problems to be honest.

It's the first time they've faced it without proper country boarder controls......

 

[neil999]

Exactly. And now all the bleeding heart politicians who would not allow intervention are screaming for something to be done.........

intervention has worked so well in the past...

 

[1966efc]

they don't need to stay with me, we can house them. that is about as childish an excuse for heartless views you can have

I don't know the latest figures but I believe it's virtually impossible for the homeless young to get a place on the waiting list for council property and wholly impossible for single adults unless thy have special needs of one sort or another. This explains the need for the Crisis charity, Centrepoint, Shelter & etc.

 

[peteblue]

intervention has worked so well in the past...

Nothing is perfect. It's either intervene in a country or watch a country completely fall apart.......as is now happening.....

 

[DualityNSNO]

@bflefc (sorry mate, quote seemed broken?)
All due respect mate, it's not "absolutely not" - yes, it might not be a week or two, but it will blow off rather quickly with the next big thing.

And it was intended to sound as narrow minded as possible, seeing as I've read through the majority of the thread and that seems to be the biggest cause for concern for some reason.

Since 1997, the population of the UK has risen by 6million, in the same period the German population has reduced by approx 1million.........go figure.......

Exponential growth of a country's population has nothing to do with number of immigrants, however. Yes, Germany's German population isn't progressing too well, but they've still got more immigrants than the UK.

Couldn't find it earlier, but the government claim that they will process each asylum application within six months, although it may take longer.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/decision

It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't more towards the longer side of things than the shorter side of things. So that's six months where you don't have access to welfare, you aren't allowed to work, and survive on the subsistence money you've either brought with you or are given by the border agency.

You have to imagine it'd help people to assimilate more if that time to process was shrunk a whole lot and they could get on with finding a job. It's probably no surprise that so many turn to black market jobs to support themselves.

Most will probably be working before that tbh, probably as anything they can find for cash-in-hand payment with no documents etc.

But 6 months is a ridiculous period imo, and it was the same for us at first as well.

 

[Jxg]

Sooo the UK isn't the number one place for all dirty stinky immigrants to go and steal jobs and abuse benefits then? Shocker.

Reckon this will all blow off in a week or two, just like the "Bulgarian and Romanian issue" a few years ago, after the UK gets sent 1000 migrants.

Loads of Bulgarians in Germany now, contrary to this same issue I pointed out from a few years ago - a lot of them decided to go to Germany and not the UK. Who'd have thought.

I think you'll find, with regards to Romanians and Bulgarians, immigration increased substantially.

Nearly 200,000 working here by September last year, up by 30,000. Doubtless there was up to the same number unemployed.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_381416.pdf

 

[Billy Dean]

The only accomodation that can be built in the short term would be some sort of camp, a bit fascist wouldn't you say?
Here are the countries most are fleeing from. Imagine if word gets back that its easy to get in and say 1 in 20 make the trip
13 Ethiopia 96,506,031
35 Sudan 38,764,090
38 Iraq 34,768,761
40 Afghanistan 31,280,518
55 Syria 21,986,615

Or imagine if the EU and internartional community could come up with a coherent plan to house a share of refugees that isn't too onerous on each state, as @1966efc posted further back in the thread.

Camps are fascist? Not if they have reasonable facilities.

 

[oldblue]

I don't know the latest figures but I believe it's virtually impossible for the homeless young to get a place on the waiting list for council property and wholly impossible for single adults unless thy have special needs of one sort or another. This explains the need for the Crisis charity, Centrepoint, Shelter & etc.

and all these services are being slashed to pieces. and I would suggest chatting to these organisations because the one thing they will all tell you is that people being without homes has almost nothing to do with a lack of places potantially available and certainly nothing to do wth our ability to build homes.

 

[peteblue]

Exponential growth of a country's population has nothing to do with number of immigrants, however. Yes, Germany's German population isn't progressing too well, but they've still got more immigrants than the UK.

But it means that a country that could house, school and look after 82million in 1997, can still do the same for 81million in 2015, whereas the UK has had to cope with a 6million increase. And I don't really care what nationality they are, it's just the sheer numbers........Germany needs more people, hence Merkel being so generous, we don't ...........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think you'll find, with regards to Romanians and Bulgarians, immigration increased substantially.

Nearly 200,000 working here by September last year, up by 30,000. Doubtless there was up to the same number unemployed.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_381416.pdf

I doubt that to be honest. Apologies I can't link directly to the pdf, but this link will take you to a government briefing stat on unemployment by ethnic group. White's are considerably less than any other group, which given that most Romanians are white kinda suggests that they aren't clogging up the dole queue.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...Y5o4FNQ4w&sig2=F8Yevvo_YJLVz8MuWZeR_g&cad=rja

Worth remembering that Britain has the 3rd lowest unemployment rate in the EU.

 

[edge]

Nothing is perfect. It's either intervene in a country or watch a country completely fall apart.......as is now happening.....

we cant win, if we stand by were heartless, if we go in its are fault. if we interfere we colonialist, if it goes tits up why didn't we interfere to stop it

 

[summerisle]

Statistics of this, por favor?

Some statistics regarding the acceptance of refugees into various countries :
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG

 

[DualityNSNO]

I think you'll find, with regards to Romanians and Bulgarians, immigration increased substantially.

Nearly 200,000 working here by September last year, up by 30,000. Doubtless there was up to the same number unemployed.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_381416.pdf

I'm fully aware of this, and yet it wasn't as big a problem as first feared, was it? There's still more people from African countries coming in than there are from Bulgaria.

Also the UK is now very comfortable for students, especially Scotland. My uni's "Bulgarian Society" grew fivefold in the space of a year and a half.