Migrant Crisis

[DualityNSNO]

But it means that a country that could house, school and look after 82million in 1997, can still do the same for 81million in 2015, whereas the UK has had to cope with a 6million increase. And I don't really care what nationality they are, it's just the sheer numbers........Germany needs more people, hence Merkel being so generous, we don't ...........

And they probably will take more numbers, but as I said, the UK will still be outraged that they'd be forced to accept all of these bullies' demands and requests.

 

[Billy Dean]

Nothing is perfect. It's either intervene in a country or watch a country completely fall apart.......as is now happening.....

diplomatic solutions? Iran and Cuba show they can be successful if the will is there.

 

[peteblue]

And they probably will take more numbers, but as I said, the UK will still be outraged that they'd be forced to accept all of these bullies' demands and requests.

Do you not understand that Germany actually doesn't have a problem because of a static population, but the UK does have a problem because of an ever increasing population. We don't need to be 'bullied' to do what is right. We could indeed take all of the refugees, every last one, providing some EU countries wouldn't mind repatriating some of their own people from the UK.........

 

[oldblue]

No it's not. When you say 'we' can house them, exactly who, where, who pays.......if you are not willing to house them why should somebody else. Don't preach, do something.......

well, okay then lets deal with the the too obvious I didn't think they had to be said facts, I would not be allowed to house someone coming here as an asylum seeker and if they are alowed to stay in this country then they will want to stay somewhere they can call home. People coming here have to put up with living in the worst accomodation we can find with less rights than prisoners, less access to regular food and often left incredibly vulnerable to violence. The process of even hearing their cases can take years. Often they are told to return to places they have fled without passports, and in some cases already under threat of their lives. So, they are unlikely to come here on a whim and they are not just swarmimg in unchecked. some are 'economic refugees and shouldn't be allowed here'. But the truth is that is most of our relatives arrived here, usually to fill a need for cheap skills and labour. Economic refugees nearly always fit our needs not the other way round.
'We' is an organised, civilised nation that has the resources and the infrastructure to deal with and thrive with people coming here. It chooses not to. It just happens to be a situation where decency and common sense match up. Sorry for 'preaching' there. And as for 'doing something' you need to know what other people are involved in before you try winning an argument with bullying nonsense

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm fully aware of this, and yet it wasn't as big a problem as first feared, was it? There's still more people from African countries coming in than there are from Bulgaria.

Also the UK is now very comfortable for students, especially Scotland. My uni's "Bulgarian Society" grew fivefold in the space of a year and a half.

That new BSc (hons) Bludgery and Loafing course has proven a real hit

 

[peteblue]

diplomatic solutions? Iran and Cuba show they can be successful if the will is there.

Don't remember there being an ISIS type problem in Iran or Cuba........

 

[edge]

Or imagine if the EU and internartional community could come up with a coherent plan to house a share of refugees that isn't too onerous on each state, as @1966efc posted further back in the thread.

Camps are fascist? Not if they have reasonable facilities.

bit ironic that statement mate been used before about 1933

 

[daylightrobber]

I think this is part of the issue for the UK. We have always allowed refugees and indeed economic migrants to enter the country. Since the gates were opened in 1997 we have allowed millions to enter. As a country we have always allowed far more in than the likes of Germany who are now doing the shouting. The issue is that Germany and co did not feel the brunt of mass immigration until very recently and are now shouting that something must be done. Of course real refugees should be accommodated if they are facing persecution, but they are not facing persecution in Europe. Our population now has 8 million extra people who were not born here, the population of Scotland and Wales combined. This cannot continue as there just isn't the housing and infrastructure that can materialise out of thin air. Real refugees, measured in the hundreds or low thousands would be more than welcome, and should be top of the list, but not while we are also importing hundreds of thousands of economic migrants each year.....this will continue until Europe puts back her borders and then allows refugees priority......

Germany took on a whole country's worth when reunified.

 

[neil999]

interesting that peoples views on benefits and migration tend to mirror each other, wonder why?

 

[peteblue]

well, okay then lets deal with the the too obvious I didn't think they had to be said facts, I would not be allowed to house someone coming here as an asylum seeker and if they are alowed to stay in this country then they will want to stay somewhere they can call home. People coming here have to put up with living in the worst accomodation we can find with less rights than prisoners, less access to regular food and often left incredibly vulnerable to violence. The process of even hearing their cases can take years. Often they are told to return to places they have fled without passports, and in some cases already under threat of their lives. So, they are unlikely to come here on a whim and they are not just swarmimg in unchecked. But, some are 'economic refugees' and shouldn't be allowed here. But the truth is that is most of our relatives arrived here, usually to fill a need for cheap skills and labour.
'We' is an organised, civilised nation that has the resources and the infrastructure to deal with and thrive with people coming here. It chooses not to. It just happens to be a situation where decency and common sense match up. Sorry for 'preaching' there. And as for 'doing something' you need to know what other people are involved in before you try winning an argument with bullying nonsense

Nice try, but seriously what are you doing. In WW2 children from Liverpool were sent to Wales to escape the bombing and they were housed with people who just opened their doors to them. I read that 11,000 Icelandic families have offered to put up Syrian refugees. I'm sure that if you wished to, the government could arrange for you to take a family......

 

[neil999]

Nice try, but seriously what are you doing. In WW2 children from Liverpool were sent to Wales to escape the bombing and they were housed with people who just opened their doors to them. I read that 11,000 Icelandic families have offered to put up Syrian refugees. I'm sure that if you wished to, the government could arrange for you to take a family......

i dont understand why wanting to help people and willing to to pay more tax i snot reasonalbe point of view? no, you have to have them in your own house or your hypocrite

your argument is nonsensical

 

[Billy Dean]

Don't remember there being an ISIS type problem in Iran or Cuba........

ISIS is recent. The Syrian issue started in 2011. Plenty of time for a diplomatic solution before they got a foothold. Instead we helped arm the opposition to weaken Assad.

bit ironic that statement mate been used before

I just meant that a camp by definition isn't "fascist". You can have a camp with decent facilities where people are treated with dignity.

 

[peteblue]

Germany took on a whole country's worth when reunified.

They also took over the extra land, housing, infrastructure and people with the same language. Now if they'd invited the whole of Somalia to stay in what was West Germany I'd have been more impressed.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Nice try, but seriously what are you doing. In WW2 children from Liverpool were sent to Wales to escape the bombing and they were housed with people who just opened their doors to them. I read that 11,000 Icelandic families have offered to put up Syrian refugees. I'm sure that if you wished to, the government could arrange for you to take a family......

It could be argued that housing people with a 'native' could be one of the better ways to assimilate migrants into society. 24/7 exposure to the language, natives that openly want to welcome them to their town and will no doubt help them find their feet with the numerous challenges involved in settling somewhere new, a reasonable dwelling and so on.

In many senses that would seem much more humane than simply dumping them in a flat on their own and told to fend for themselves.

 

[edge]

Nice try, but seriously what are you doing. In WW2 children from Liverpool were sent to Wales to escape the bombing and they were housed with people who just opened their doors to them. I read that 11,000 Icelandic families have offered to put up Syrian refugees. I'm sure that if you wished to, the government could arrange for you to take a family......

if you can find one, that can cook, bit of gardening kids are quite and they don't mind living in my shed, put me down for one