Migrant Crisis

[Blue 1]

Wow. It's still open. Well done everyone!

 

[neil999]

Can we keep this from getting personal please folks.

shut it smelly bum

 

[oldblue]

No it isn't. You always want to spend someone else's money and do not consider any effects upon the current 64million in the country. While your concern is well meant, I'm more impressed with what people do themselves as opposed to what they expect others to do on their behalf.......

so I take it you are a great supporter of all the people who help out in terms of support, advice, re-housing, misinformation, legal rights..and you would denounce any government that removes the basic support that allows them to do this

 

[Sapie88]

I can make plenty of room for the fit ones.

You're a beacon of charity.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

shut it smelly bum

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You're a beacon of charity.

The trip to Tesco would be fun

 

[oldblue]

You see, you immediately try to paint someone as a certain type, who would read some rag of a newspaper. I would be more than happy to put up a refugee Syrian family and indeed when I have moved my family around I will be offering just such an arrangement.....so now what are you willing to do........

so..you don't want us to be taking our share but you want me to believe at some indefinite point in the future you are willing to house someone. Good on you if it is true but I still feel they would prefer to be treated with real decency and given their own housing as soon as possible. Sympathy is not empathy

 

[dead_soft]

It could be argued that housing people with a 'native' could be one of the better ways to assimilate migrants into society. 24/7 exposure to the language, natives that openly want to welcome them to their town and will no doubt help them find their feet with the numerous challenges involved in settling somewhere new, a reasonable dwelling and so on.

In many senses that would seem much more humane than simply dumping them in a flat on their own and told to fend for themselves.

One problem with this is how it would be possible on a few levels - the basic level of would enough people do it to make it feasible? But let's say they do. If you are a refugee you will be coming with multiple problems that might not be best served by living with people from a different culture you don't know. PTSD, disease, victims of violence, feeling a burden again. I'm not suggesting in any way that I'm okay with the housing or the camps refugees are currently expected to live in and I understand where you're coming from.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

One problem with this is how it would be possible on a few levels - the basic level of would enough people do it to make it feasible? But let's say they do. If you are a refugee you will be coming with multiple problems that might not be best served by living with people from a different culture you don't know. PTSD, disease, victims of violence, feeling a burden again. I'm not suggesting in any way that I'm okay with the housing or the camps refugees are currently expected to live in and I understand where you're coming from.

I think @Boss_Blue has agreed to house the challenging ones in his shed

Joking aside though, similar 'self-help' schemes have worked quite well after various natural disasters in recent times, including after Hurricane Sandy for instance. It's 'reasonably' easy to apply a degree of intelligence to these things so that people are matched up with those from appropriate religions (for instance).

It may not provide the total solution, but I suspect it could be mobilised much faster than any central state arranged project, especially when looking on such a large scale.

 

[edge]

You jest, but I'd say domestic staffing (au pair, housekeeper etc.) is one of the more common pastimes for young migrants into the UK. I know a good number of Czech's that started off in that line of work before progressing. The pay is usually peanuts but they're given free bed and board.

to be honest Bruce for all my little Englander stance, if anybody knocked on my door and asked for help i would cave in and try my best for them, i wouldn't see a nice Czech lass without a bed for the night,
without messing if somebody was in danger they would be welcome to any help i could give think most people would be the same

 

[dead_soft]

I think @Boss_Blue has agreed to house the challenging ones in his shed

Ah, no worries then

 

[peteblue]

I think you probably underestimate the enormity of that process. Hundreds of thousands of East Germans moved west en masse over a very short period of time and many more displaced, returned from eastern bloc countries.

No, I do not underestimate what was done. But it was for the good of Germany and the German population, not some altruistic endeavour for someone else........

 

[Blue 1]

If you really want to then here's a list of practical ways you can help:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...trying-to-find-safety-in-europe-10482902.html

I'm sure there's probably a group local to everyone that you can find without too much difficulty making runs over to Calais with stuff they actually need and I'm sure pretty well everyone has stuff they can give. They'll be able to provide you with a list of what they need. I'm taking a load of clothes, bedding, food and toiletries down to mine tonight.

 

[peteblue]

to be honest Bruce for all my little Englander stance, if anybody knocked on my door and asked for help i would cave in and try my best for them, i wouldn't see a nice Czech lass without a bed for the night,
without messing if somebody was in danger they would be welcome to any help i could give think most people would be the same

And I think pretty well most people in the UK would do this.......

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

People on here should be aware by now that my political leanings are left of centre. I've made that quite clear on other threads. I'm saying my piece on this and not debating a single issue I'm raising; as I know where it'll lead.

My view on this is that accepting thousands of asylum seekers/ refugees will cause more problems than it solves. There's already far more than enough disenfranchised British citizens as it stands. Adding to the numbers will cause more resentment, more stresses on finances, public services etc.

And, of course, they'll be the first ones 'offended'. We'll no doubt have to pander to their 'sensitivities' after taking them in. Their gratitude will not extend to having to accept the same rules as everyone else. I'm convinced of it. Thoroughly convinced.

One thing I've noticed though; the vast majority of these refugees/asylum seekers at the train station in Budapest (As well as everywhere else) are young men of military age.....

Take them in by all means. But once the crises are over and their countries are deemed safe, they're on the first planes back. Every man jack of them.