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minor things that make you fume

Properties advertised on rightmove without floorplans;

Estate agents who ignore the obvious flaws in a property and act utterly incredulous when you point them out;

Vendors who spunk money on pointless tat and expect to recoup it at sale.

Properly pi$$ed of at viewing houses with "open plan kitchen / breakfast rooms" which, if a floorpan had been included, I could have spotted and swerved in advance.
 
Tree13 said:
Properties advertised on rightmove without floorplans;

Estate agents who ignore the obvious flaws in a property and act utterly incredulous when you point them out;

Vendors who spunk money on pointless tat and expect to recoup it at sale.

Properly pi$$ed of at viewing houses with "open plan kitchen / breakfast rooms" which, if a floorpan had been included, I could have spotted and swerved in advance.
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Estate agents don't pay the slightest attention to what you say. Half the houses they suggested to me last time I moved didn't have a garage, even though having a garage was number 1 priority. I think the only thing on their job description is "get a punter to a house .... any house"
 
chrismpw said:
Estate agents don't pay the slightest attention to what you say. Half the houses they suggested to me last time I moved didn't have a garage, even though having a garage was number 1 priority. I think the only thing on their job description is "get a punter to a house .... any house"
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From a buying perspective, I actually fail to see the point of estate agents. The last house we bought, we saw it on Rightmove, called the agent who arranged a time with the owners, the owners showed us round (twice), we made an offer which was bounced back and forth a couple of times, and once accepted, all communication shifted to the solicitors. The only bit they really did was act as annoying go-between at the offer/acceptance phase, something I reckon we could've done in the house face-to-face.

If the public were able to load their properties directly onto Rightmove, estate agents would become redundant.
 
The Cowboy said:
From a buying perspective, I actually fail to see the point of estate agents.

If the public were able to load their properties directly onto Rightmove, estate agents would become redundant.
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I totally agree.

The whole house move process has evolved to create employment and earning opportunities to unnecessary middlemen .... the vultures. there's loads of smoke and mirrors designed to make you think they're all necessary.

Spend £150k on a house - and for some reason we accept that tteams of people will need paying. Pay £150k for a car and you just rock up to a sales showroom with a cheque book (not that I've done this). Why is there that difference?

The needlessness of an estate agent ... and the amount they charge £2k to print out a few fliers and answer the phone - hardly a skilled job. The almighty FUSS made by mortgage companies, before they enter into a financial transaction that will obviously benefit them massively, as though they're doing you a huge favour, the implied requirement for surveyors, the implied requirement for solicitors .... all of whom take their own sweet time doing the simplest of jobs, hold up the move - to make it look as though they're really toiling for you - and make the whole move process stressful.

When I sold my last house I avoided all these - I was lucky to be able to sell it to a mate, for cash. I even did my own legalities - which took me around 5 hours of (mainly) research and about 20 minutes to fill in the forms. Hardly worth the £1500 solicitors try and charge. Even the searches they do on our behalf just involve a few queries to publicly available addresses. It was bliss.

When buying my last two houses, I did my own survey ... I have eyes .... and I can see if things look right or not ... it helped that I have a mate in building control who could answer a few queries ... but it's pretty obvious that the survey we have to pay for, for the mortgage company, would result in them NOT lending you any money if the house wasn't fit - so why double up?

What really grips my faecal matter is having to pay tens of thousands to the government after all this, in stamp duty .... simply paying for permission to move house to those who have done the least in the whole moving process. GAAAAAARGH!
 

chrismpw said:
I totally agree.

The whole house move process has evolved to create employment and earning opportunities to unnecessary middlemen .... the vultures. there's loads of smoke and mirrors designed to make you think they're all necessary.

Spend £150k on a house - and for some reason we accept that tteams of people will need paying. Pay £150k for a car and you just rock up to a sales showroom with a cheque book (not that I've done this). Why is there that difference?

The needlessness of an estate agent ... and the amount they charge £2k to print out a few fliers and answer the phone - hardly a skilled job. The almighty FUSS made by mortgage companies, before they enter into a financial transaction that will obviously benefit them massively, as though they're doing you a huge favour, the implied requirement for surveyors, the implied requirement for solicitors .... all of whom take their own sweet time doing the simplest of jobs, hold up the move - to make it look as though they're really toiling for you - and make the whole move process stressful.

When I sold my last house I avoided all these - I was lucky to be able to sell it to a mate, for cash. I even did my own legalities - which took me around 5 hours of (mainly) research and about 20 minutes to fill in the forms. Hardly worth the £1500 solicitors try and charge. Even the searches they do on our behalf just involve a few queries to publicly available addresses. It was bliss.

When buying my last two houses, I did my own survey ... I have eyes .... and I can see if things look right or not ... it helped that I have a mate in building control who could answer a few queries ... but it's pretty obvious that the survey we have to pay for, for the mortgage company, would result in them NOT lending you any money if the house wasn't fit - so why double up?

What really grips my faecal matter is having to pay tens of thousands to the government after all this, in stamp duty .... simply paying for permission to move house to those who have done the least in the whole moving process. GAAAAAARGH!
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Effectively the estate agent IS the showroom? And I'm sure the salesman takes a cut it's just he adds it to the price of the car.

PS - I am not arguing for their existence I hasten to add!
 
GlosBlue said:
Effectively the estate agent IS the showroom? And I'm sure the salesman takes a cut it's just he adds it to the price of the car.

PS - I am not arguing for their existence I hasten to add!
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Well don't get me wrong ... I've nothing against people adding a reasonable amount onto a price for their trouble. But there's a colossal difference between buying in and storing an asset in your showroom, before bearing the risk of not being able to sell it on for a profit, and photocopying a few pages about somebody's house for your £2k fees!
 
chrismpw said:
I totally agree.

The whole house move process has evolved to create employment and earning opportunities to unnecessary middlemen .... the vultures. there's loads of smoke and mirrors designed to make you think they're all necessary.

Spend £150k on a house - and for some reason we accept that tteams of people will need paying. Pay £150k for a car and you just rock up to a sales showroom with a cheque book (not that I've done this). Why is there that difference?

The needlessness of an estate agent ... and the amount they charge £2k to print out a few fliers and answer the phone - hardly a skilled job. The almighty FUSS made by mortgage companies, before they enter into a financial transaction that will obviously benefit them massively, as though they're doing you a huge favour, the implied requirement for surveyors, the implied requirement for solicitors .... all of whom take their own sweet time doing the simplest of jobs, hold up the move - to make it look as though they're really toiling for you - and make the whole move process stressful.

When I sold my last house I avoided all these - I was lucky to be able to sell it to a mate, for cash. I even did my own legalities - which took me around 5 hours of (mainly) research and about 20 minutes to fill in the forms. Hardly worth the £1500 solicitors try and charge. Even the searches they do on our behalf just involve a few queries to publicly available addresses. It was bliss.

When buying my last two houses, I did my own survey ... I have eyes .... and I can see if things look right or not ... it helped that I have a mate in building control who could answer a few queries ... but it's pretty obvious that the survey we have to pay for, for the mortgage company, would result in them NOT lending you any money if the house wasn't fit - so why double up?

What really grips my faecal matter is having to pay tens of thousands to the government after all this, in stamp duty .... simply paying for permission to move house to those who have done the least in the whole moving process. GAAAAAARGH!
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Oh definitely. I mean what's that all about? The govt acting like ebay, taking a sellers fee simply for selling second hand goods.
 
chrismpw said:
Estate agents don't pay the slightest attention to what you say. Half the houses they suggested to me last time I moved didn't have a garage, even though having a garage was number 1 priority. I think the only thing on their job description is "get a punter to a house .... any house"
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Car dealerships are doing that now too. I did a lot of research on my own when I began test driving cars so I knew what I wanted. A salesman started to deal with me on an Audi A6, but then he could not locate the car within a few miles. He said he'd get it from Baltimore and I didn't hear from him for a few days. Finally I get a call and he tells me he cannot get the car I wanted, but I quote..."I have this Buick Enclave. It's all-wheel drive" I'm not sure he was serious but I cannot think of anything further from what I wanted. He even did this twice after with any random car he found.
 
ItsOKImAPilot said:
Car dealerships are doing that now too. I did a lot of research on my own when I began test driving cars so I knew what I wanted. A salesman started to deal with me on an Audi A6, but then he could not locate the car within a few miles. He said he'd get it from Baltimore and I didn't hear from him for a few days. Finally I get a call and he tells me he cannot get the car I wanted, but I quote..."I have this Buick Enclave. It's all-wheel drive" I'm not sure he was serious but I cannot think of anything further from what I wanted. He even did this twice after with any random car he found.
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I've just googled a Buick Enclave. Shocking.
 

I went out in Shoreditch for a few drinks tonight. I got to the bar and asked for a pint.

"Oh we don't do pints, it's only 1/3 or 2/3 pints."

AND IT STILL COSTS OVER 5 POUNDS ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WEARING TIGHTS ON YOUR ARMS FFS.
 
Baines' left foot said:
I went out in Shoreditch for a few drinks tonight. I got to the bar and asked for a pint.

"Oh we don't do pints, it's only 1/3 or 2/3 pints."

AND IT STILL COSTS OVER 5 POUNDS ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WEARING TIGHTS ON YOUR ARMS FFS.
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How bizarre. I can get 2/3, that's a schooner in NSW, but 1/3? That's tiny! Like one of those cans of coke you see in minibars.
 

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