Modern Football Fans & Stats

[blue to the bone]

Stats can be used for certain aspects of the game .
But to base your value of a player solely on them is ridiculous. Like an assist might be a 2 yard pass across an empty goal but the pass to play in the assister makes it.
Or a winger puts in 5 world class balls that are not scored . Not his fault. But wont show up on his assists chart.

 

[ijjysmith]

xMeffs incoming

Please god let this take off.

 

[Papa Shango]

I don't know why it's become some prevalent, but it's one of the things about modern football discussion that really winds me up

People pulling out spreadsheets and pie charts to show why a player is good. You have eyes, use them. It's never been easier to find footage of players due to the internet and the amount of football on TV, and that's before you buy a ticket to go watch a game in person

STATS have their place, but the Eye Test is the best way of telling whether a player is any good. Why do you think scouts still go to matches or watch video of players they're thinking of signing? If STATS were all important, they'd sign players based off those alone

STATS tell you something about a footballer, but they don't tell you as much as actually watching them play would

I think you are pretty much right there, probably the thing stats can do when looking for a player is give you an idea of what type of player they are, you are looking for a goalscoring midfielder, so get a list of midfielders who score goals, signing the top one on the list without even watching them or taking into account all the variables would be mad though.

 

[alvinh]

Whatever happened to watching a game and coming up with an opinion based on what you saw with your own eyes?

It's been mentioned in other threads but there seems to be a huge emphasis on people using random stats to demonstrate why we should or shouldn't sign a player when for the most part the stats used are garbage.

If we could stop using pointless stats as the sole basis as to the pros and cons of a player that would be great. Surely the 4 hours you spent compiling stats and making graphs would have been better spent climbing off your stained bed sheets, having a shower and putting some effort into forming meaningful relationships.

I'll bet 74% of posters will agree with you on this.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Been saying this for years. Football is not a stat based game.

Games that stop and start and are made up of distinct "events" (cricket, baseball, NFL, even Rugby League at a stretch) lend themselves to statistical analysis. One passage of play is comparable to another and there is a defined start and end and only a limited number of outcomes.

Footer, kick n clap, basketball... not so much. There's too much going on, too many variables and not enough causal relationship between inputs and outputs. There's some amazing statistical work done on baseball and NFL, i'm not enormously interested in either anymore, but I still buy the stats books every year but all attempts to apply a similar model to football are limited by the fluidity between positions and the sheer number of possibilities every second of every game.

Er, Clive.

 

[Axlswhk]

I'll bet 74% of posters will agree with you on this.

74.09%

 

[Frang]

He was never fast..

Just really quick

 

[Prevenger17]

Use your eyes. It's how I identified Lukaku as a guileless donkey years before the xG merchants even started to realise it.

 

[degsy]

Whatever happened to watching a game and coming up with an opinion based on what you saw with your own eyes?

It's been mentioned in other threads but there seems to be a huge emphasis on people using random stats to demonstrate why we should or shouldn't sign a player when for the most part the stats used are garbage.

If we could stop using pointless stats as the sole basis as to the pros and cons of a player that would be great. Surely the 4 hours you spent compiling stats and making graphs would have been better spent climbing off your stained bed sheets, having a shower and putting some effort into forming meaningful relationships.

I never believe a statistic I didnt make up myself - Winston Churchill...allegedly.
Lukaku; Goal stats up the wazoo Vs rubber shinned lazy sod, covers least kms per game than, than well almost anybody ...and add porky now.
So which stat is it that carries the day...he only scores when were winning

 

[JLW]

No wonder so many signings seem to fail now because stats seem to have overtaken actual scouting.
Look at say Niasse who’s goals per minutes on the pitch isn’t that bad on a stats chart, but on actual grass he’s feckin crap.
It’s like clean sheets for Goalkeepers, Allison for Liverpool got all the glory for the most in the league but that wasn’t down to him it’s down to the defence in front of him, but looking at stats he looks world class but reality is he’s an accident waiting to happen..

 

[orly]

I'll bet 74% of posters will agree with you on this.

Summer Transfer Window 2019

Oo new rumours. That Kudus is very highly rated from some articles I’ve read. Nordsjaelland produce a lot of talent.

www.grandoldteam.com

?????? Alvin ??????

 

[blulouie]

Stats you say.

GERROF YER FM & FIFA.

JUS WATCH DA GAME WILL YA.

 

[Bungle]

I'll bet 74% of posters will agree with you on this.

I mean I realise it contradicts my own argument but here's some interesting stats

 

[Prevenger17]

I mean I realise it contradicts my own argument but here's some interesting stats

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See that's the thing about stats, they don't tell the whole story. The one person who did touch an actual woman did so on a crowded train and without their consent.

 

[Nymzee]

I mean I realise it contradicts my own argument but here's some interesting stats

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I demand a Venn diagram.