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2019/20 Moise Kean

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Why is this obvious when there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for him playing that isn't the manager doesn't rate him? I mean using this logic Silva, Ferguson and Ancelotti all don't rate Baines either but I think we can say that maybe isn't the real reason he isn't playing.
That all you're taking from my post? Says a lot in itself tbh.

Ok anyway mate, you keep banging the drum. I wish we all had your superior level of critical analysis when it comes to young players.

Wouldn't bother replying if I was you as I cba going any further into it with someone who's blatantly just being a contrarian.
 
I'd disagree totally with that. Being fast, being strong, doing a stepover, that's the easy stuff. The hard stuff is making the right runs, finding space, having a good enough first touch to make sure you get a second. Thats the stuff Kean is struggling with.
I don't know the places he gets shots away from suggest he actually is kind of ok at those things even if it doesn't seem that way. When I say the hard stuff I essentially mean shooting the ball frequently and shooting it from good areas a good percentage of the time you do shoot. I mean the great strikers are the ones shooting a lot. It isn't that they're all super accurate, although they often are, as much as they just shoot and shoot and shoot. And Kean to my eye at least shows some of that ability.
 
I'd disagree totally with that. Being fast, being strong, doing a stepover, that's the easy stuff. The hard stuff is making the right runs, finding space, having a good enough first touch to make sure you get a second. Thats the stuff Kean is struggling with.
He does have flashes in a game where I see what all the fuss was about. But you are absolutely right, I never feel like he's going to score, going to lay it off to someone else to score and he never holds the ball up, ever. I like that he bets on himself but he never seems to have any sort of a plan and almost always just loses the ball and we end up under pressure again.
 
That all you're taking from my post? Says a lot in itself tbh.

Ok anyway mate, you keep banging the drum. I wish we all had your superior level of critical analysis when it comes to young players.

Wouldn't bother replying if I was you as I cba going any further into it with someone who's blatantly just being a contrarian.
If not giving up on every young player at the first signs of struggles is being a contrarian so be it.
 

You give the manager the tools he needs, then if he fails he fails cos of him.

IF this fella is as good as most make out, never seen him kick a ball myself, then I don't see why Brands would say no.
That's the thing, he really isn't. When people say sign James I can at least see the wisdom of that because he could when healthy be an actually game changing player. Allan feels to me more like someone who could be Gareth Barry. I liked Gareth Barry but we weren't making a push to Europe on the back of Gareth Barry.
 
He does have flashes in a game where I see what all the fuss was about. But you are absolutely right, I never feel like he's going to score, going to lay it off to someone else to score and he never holds the ball up, ever. I like that he bets on himself but he never seems to have any sort of a plan and almost always just loses the ball and we end up under pressure again.
The criticism when we signed him was that he just gets the ball and runs with it until he shoots and while there is something useful in that it does need to be harnessed.

Still I think if we through him in for 3 or 4 starts he'd almost certainly score one, assuming the midfield could pass the ball forward at some point.
 
He does have flashes in a game where I see what all the fuss was about. But you are absolutely right, I never feel like he's going to score, going to lay it off to someone else to score and he never holds the ball up, ever. I like that he bets on himself but he never seems to have any sort of a plan and almost always just loses the ball and we end up under pressure again.
That's it in a nutshell for me, he's definitely got loads of talent, in the sense that he'd be the kid who stood out at schoolboy level when he was skinning everyone everytime he got the ball, but he just doesn't seem to have any understanding of how to harness his raw ability into being an effective player. I've said before, I certainly wouldn't write him off as a player because he's young, but it's getting to the stage where you think he might be a write off for us, because i'm not sure sitting on the bench for another year is something either the club or the player and his agent will be happy with, and it will take a massive turnaround from where he is for him to become a first choice player in the next couple of months.
 
In my mind Kean is almost certainly going to leave this summer. Since the restart the manager has had ample opportunity to give him some meaningful time in the team and has chosen not to do so... when he been brought on, he has shown nothing to warrant getting more minutes than he has.
It looks to me as if the manager is doing enough to keep the players name in the public eye but not giving him enough time to show how poor he is.

These games were the perfect time to try to put your name in the managers mind.... Anthony Gordon has shown how that should be done , unfortunately nearly twelve months after arriving Kean still has shown nothing.
 
Sorry, I put in the wrong name! I'm so used to talking to you about Iwobi that I must have become conditioned! In any case, is Kean a 35 year old back up to one of our best players? I'm struggling with this comparison, BI?
The only things you've got wrong are the age and the number of players he backs up. Kean is the 19 year old back up to two of our better players. Saying he isn't playing because he isn't rated over looks that there is a very good reason he doesn't play.
 

In my mind Kean is almost certainly going to leave this summer. Since the restart the manager has had ample opportunity to give him some meaningful time in the team and has chosen not to do so... when he been brought on, he has shown nothing to warrant getting more minutes than he has.
It looks to me as if the manager is doing enough to keep the players name in the public eye but not giving him enough time to show how poor he is.

These games were the perfect time to try to put your name in the managers mind.... Anthony Gordon has shown how that should be done , unfortunately nearly twelve months after arriving Kean still has shown nothing.
None of the players that Brands paid a transfer fee for will be sold this summer unless a crazy offer comes in that will help our FFP position.
 
I'm still championing Vlasic and Lookman so I think that answers that.

Gordon has shown a bit more but honestly if Gordon went on a ten game run where he struggled would people still be patient with him? I doubt it.

I really only have two points here: 700 league minutes without any kind of consistency with when the minutes actually happen isn't really a realistic chance to prove yourself and even if you think it is talented young players need to be given more than one chance before being written off and sold. Hell I'd still give Tom Davies another shot if we could get him in a box to box role that isn't asking him to be an actual good defensive player.

Oh and I guess the last point is as supporters we need to come around to the idea of patient development of young players as the path to success.

Well neither Lookman nor vlasic have exactly ripped up any trees since they left have they?

But both of them showed more glimpses of quality for us than Kean has done since he’s been here IMO.

The Gordon point is a weird one because I think 100% people would still get behind him if he struggled for 10 games. People are still getting behind Davies after 100 bad games. And Gordon has already shown that he’s got a much better level of tactical discipline and footballing intelligence than Kean.

700 league minutes is not a lot. But it’s enough to show SOMETHING, and for me he hasn’t shown it yet.

I would start him in the last 3 games and see if he can offer anything else. Fingers crossed he proves me wrong
 
The criticism when we signed him was that he just gets the ball and runs with it until he shoots and while there is something useful in that it does need to be harnessed.

Still I think if we through him in for 3 or 4 starts he'd almost certainly score one, assuming the midfield could pass the ball forward at some point.
Anthony Gordon has had to cope with the same players as Kean but has shown workrate and an appetite for the game.

I think supporters would happily give Kean plenty of time to settle and develop as a player if they could see the determination and application.

All I see is a young lad who to me seems to be carrying a couple of pounds who just does not work hard enough.
 
Well neither Lookman nor vlasic have exactly ripped up any trees since they left have they?

But both of them showed more glimpses of quality for us than Kean has done since he’s been here IMO.

The Gordon point is a weird one because I think 100% people would still get behind him if he struggled for 10 games. People are still getting behind Davies after 100 bad games. And Gordon has already shown that he’s got a much better level of tactical discipline and footballing intelligence than Kean.

700 league minutes is not a lot. But it’s enough to show SOMETHING, and for me he hasn’t shown it yet.

I would start him in the last 3 games and see if he can offer anything else. Fingers crossed he proves me wrong
The problem is he might start those 3 games and do nothing just like DCL has done nothing for the last 6. I want to see him play but we have been so atrocious with the ball that I can't see it going well and then you all will come in here shouting "see, see, we knew he was crap" like he can just use the force or something to get the ball to himself within 25 yards of goal. It's a bad spot. But that's also why we shouldn't give up.
 

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