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2020/21 Moise Kean

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What you're doing there mate, is you're forgetting that all three of these are English, and are overhyped as a result.

Not to mention, when you play for a big club, a certain pedigree is expected, and think they're signing quality, when they are not i.e. Iheanacho at Leicester.

Kean is Italian, that's reason to knock £10m off your price. All 3 of those should be less than £10m each, if not under £5m.
It's more than that though, it's just random examples of poor deals. There are loads of examples of signing players from overseas for inflated prices too. In fact the £27m we paid for Kean is probably being used on another team's forum as an example of such a deal at this very moment. People get hung up a bit on the 'english tax' but the main thing is just that English teams generally just have loads of money (relatively speaking) and everybody knows it. You're often not necessarily paying more because someone's English, you're paying more because you're buying them from another English club, who don't need to sell, and who know that you've got the money to stump up. Solanke was an awful bit of business at the time but he now looks like he could get 20 goals which might get Bournemouth promoted. £19m for someone who bags you 20 goals in the Championship is pretty much par for the course.
 
It's more than that though, it's just random examples of poor deals. There are loads of examples of signing players from overseas for inflated prices too. In fact the £27m we paid for Kean is probably being used on another team's forum as an example of such a deal at this very moment. People get hung up a bit on the 'english tax' but the main thing is just that English teams generally just have loads of money (relatively speaking) and everybody knows it. You're often not necessarily paying more because someone's English, you're paying more because you're buying them from another English club, who don't need to sell, and who know that you've got the money to stump up. Solanke was an awful bit of business at the time but he now looks like he could get 20 goals which might get Bournemouth promoted. £19m for someone who bags you 20 goals in the Championship is pretty much par for the course.

On the English tax thing youre certainly correct.

I kind of show my age a bit, but if we all rememeber what happened when Chelsea and to a degree City came into money? Everyone expected them to pay more. It was a well known phrase Evertonians had too "15m is the price or 20m for City/Chelsea".

The PL's deals over the last 5-7 years in terms of TV and international deals have taken the same approach mean to the continent, we are essentially their City/Chelsea.

I actually think British have got better at negotiating, and have began to negotiate downwards more. In fairness Brands has done this quite well.

Again to show my age, it's almost incomparable to see how Everton now run, to how Everton ran even 15 years ago. I mean it was hand to mouth back then. We weren't the iony club. If we didn't sell a player, people wouldn't be paid. That sort of pressure drives prices down. When it went, the opposite happened. THat summer with hus and Stones and WBA and Berahinho was the turning point, where it began to sink in, there's no financial necessity to sell.

English clubs are getting smarter, but the short termism is always easier. LIke even the top teams, who preach the right game, say like a Liverpool. They are supposed to have all these top kids (I don't actually think they do) yet they play 2 midfielders out of position rather than give a centre back a game last night. It's understandable when people know the money is there, to go and buy the player, rather than development them.

To circle it back to Kean, I've been brazen and called for 50m, but thats just the negotiator in me. If we got more than £30m it will have been good business from the club, and will justify sending him on loan to PSG, rather than on loan to Juventus with an option for 20m at the end of it.
 
It's more than that though, it's just random examples of poor deals. There are loads of examples of signing players from overseas for inflated prices too. In fact the £27m we paid for Kean is probably being used on another team's forum as an example of such a deal at this very moment. People get hung up a bit on the 'english tax' but the main thing is just that English teams generally just have loads of money (relatively speaking) and everybody knows it. You're often not necessarily paying more because someone's English, you're paying more because you're buying them from another English club, who don't need to sell, and who know that you've got the money to stump up. Solanke was an awful bit of business at the time but he now looks like he could get 20 goals which might get Bournemouth promoted. £19m for someone who bags you 20 goals in the Championship is pretty much par for the course.

Mate, don’t players like Matej Vydra and Dwight Gayle bang in 20-odd goals in the Championship? I’m not sure £20m is the going rate for a good Championship striker tbh.
 
Mate, don’t players like Matej Vydra and Dwight Gayle bang in 20-odd goals in the Championship? I’m not sure £20m is the going rate for a good Championship striker tbh.
Well of last year's top 10 scorers in the Championship, 5 (Mitrovic, Grant, Watkins, Bowen, Benrahma) have been transferred for £15m or over. I would guess that two others (Bamford and Mbuemo) would cost £15m+ if they moved now. Last time Dwight Gayle scored 20 in the Championship was 5 years ago and he moved just after that for £10m. Vydra cost £10m 2 years ago, also immediately after scoring 20 goals in that league. So it's not that every single player in the world who could score 20 goals in the championship will cost that much, just that it's not actually particularly out of keeping with what you might expect. Or par for the course, if you like.
 
Well of last year's top 10 scorers in the Championship, 5 (Mitrovic, Grant, Watkins, Bowen, Benrahma) have been transferred for £15m or over. I would guess that two others (Bamford and Mbuemo) would cost £15m+ if they moved now. Last time Dwight Gayle scored 20 in the Championship was 5 years ago and he moved just after that for £10m. Vydra cost £10m 2 years ago, also immediately after scoring 20 goals in that league. So it's not that every single player in the world who could score 20 goals in the championship will cost that much, just that it's not actually particularly out of keeping with what you might expect. Or par for the course, if you like.

It was 2018/19 on loan at West Brom. As for those others, they were bought with the view to step up to the Premier League and in the case of Mitrovic, had already proven he could do a somewhat decent job in it. Solanke obviously was bought with the idea that he could be a Premier League striker, even if he scores 20 goals this season he’s still been a failure of a signing, unless he proves he can step up next season. If he turns into a Vydra/Gayle type player who can only do it in the Championship then they’ve paid way, way over the odds at £19m.
 

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It was 2018/19 on loan at West Brom. As for those others, they were bought with the view to step up to the Premier League and in the case of Mitrovic, had already proven he could do a somewhat decent job in it. Solanke obviously was bought with the idea that he could be a Premier League striker, even if he scores 20 goals this season he’s still been a failure of a signing, unless he proves he can step up next season.
Fair enough I missed that Gayle season. I would imagine based on the type of business West Brom have done this season that they would have tried to make that deal permanent if they hadn't lost in the play offs and probably would have paid £15m for their player of the season who'd just fired them to the PL, thus hammering the point home even further, but alas they didn't and we'll never know.

On Solanke, that wasn't the point though? I'm not saying he was a good signing - I thought the bit where I said it 'was an awful bit of business' and included it in my summary of 'examples of poor deals' sort of made that obvious tbh - I'm saying when buying from an English club £15-20m is not actually particularly out of keeping for a striker who gets 20 goals in the championship. There's talk of Ivan Toney costing more than that at the moment. We know Solanke was a poor signing because we've seen his record in the PL, but you can guarantee that if he was just another 23 year old who'd scored a few in Holland, had an international cap, and was now scoring regularly in the championship, there'd be talk of him being bought for £20m+ in this window.
 
Fair enough I missed that Gayle season. I would imagine based on the type of business West Brom have done this season that they would have tried to make that deal permanent if they hadn't lost in the play offs and probably would have paid £15m for their player of the season who'd just fired them to the PL, thus hammering the point home even further, but alas they didn't and we'll never know.

On Solanke, that wasn't the point though? I'm not saying he was a good signing - I thought the bit where I said it 'was an awful bit of business' and included it in my summary of 'examples of poor deals' sort of made that obvious tbh - I'm saying when buying from an English club £15-20m is not actually particularly out of keeping for a striker who gets 20 goals in the championship. There's talk of Ivan Toney costing more than that at the moment. We know Solanke was a poor signing because we've seen his record in the PL, but you can guarantee that if he was just another 23 year old who'd scored a few in Holland, had an international cap, and was now scoring regularly in the championship, there'd be talk of him being bought for £20m+ in this window.

On a slightly broader (and a littl unrelated) point I do wonder if this was the failure of Moyes. That actually of all the jumps, being a good goalscorer in the championships to the PL are very different things, more so than almost any other position. He recruited heavily from that league but uoltimately just couldn't get that goalscorer.
 


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