2020/21 Moise Kean

[Lanolin]

When he played ( and I mean started ) he generally played well,.coming on for 10 mins at the end of games is a ridiculous way to manager a young lad. So again I wouldn't say he flopped in an Everton shirt because when he was given a chance he done alrite. Scored in his only two starts in the latter stages of the season.

Of course we hold all the aces, players have power but ultimately we own his contract which is a long one and we have a very wealthy owner so like most clubs we won't be bullied into selling anyone we don't need to, so if we value Kean higher than what psg have offered he won't sold.

Kean didn't want to be here because he wasn't getting a game, who's to say he doesn't go and score 30 goals for psg this season he comes back and Carlo says listen you've went out and done well your gonna play a big role next season?

Selling him now at that price to me a bad bad business, given how he has started his career at psg.

Again, i'm not interested in why he failed, i'm just saying he failed. He couldn't get in the team and we loaned him out to put Cenk Tosun on the bench, that's a failure. I'm not saying he's rubbish or anything, just that his Everton career has been a failure, it's really weird to suggest it hasn't.

The manager who you're saying managed him in a ridiculous way will still be the manager when he comes back, so what will have changed? Will he want to be so horribly mismanaged again? Will Ancelotti's opinion of him have dramatically changed over the course of the season? Will his ability to score goals have been a total revelation to one of the most decorated managers in the game, something he hadn't foreseen at all? I'm guessing the answer to all those things is no. The proof will be in the pudding and i'd love to be proved wrong, but in my opinion people are massively overstating our position here. I think he'll go for between £30-35m, depending on how good Brands' pokerface is.

 

[Goat]

Again, i'm not interested in why he failed, i'm just saying he failed. He couldn't get in the team and we loaned him out to put Cenk Tosun on the bench, that's a failure. I'm not saying he's rubbish or anything, just that his Everton career has been a failure, it's really weird to suggest it hasn't.

The manager who you're saying managed him in a ridiculous way will still be the manager when he comes back, so what will have changed? Will he want to be so horribly mismanaged again? Will Ancelotti's opinion of him have dramatically changed over the course of the season? Will his ability to score goals have been a total revelation to one of the most decorated managers in the game, something he hadn't foreseen at all? I'm guessing the answer to all those things is no. The proof will be in the pudding and i'd love to be proved wrong, but in my opinion people are massively overstating our position here. I think he'll go for between £30-35m, depending on how good Brands' pokerface is.

His Everton career was over from the second Ferguson subbed him off.

 

[blulouie]

I agree, we hold no aces.

If him and Mino tell us its PSG or nothing, what do we do? Stick him in the reserves and pay him millions a month while his value plummets? Bring him and back and have a non-committed player sulking his way through games and training?

So then its a case of getting the most back for a player, who flopped with us and who I doubt we have any desire to retain.

So no, we have no aces, we get what PSG are willing to give us, if that's our money back and a taste on top, that's the price.

Cant agree there kiddo.
If he really rips it up and gets 25 goals and contributes to a couple of trophies there'll be more than PSG want to sign him for mega bucks.
Still very young , Italian international with plenty of potential.
I think we do hold plenty of cards.

 

[Lanolin]

His Everton career was over from the second Ferguson subbed him off.

Honestly I remember watching him against Sheffield United in about September and going 'oh no, we've done it again'. He just wasn't what we needed, he didn't fit in, you could see it really early on. He's obviously a talent and it'll be hard seeing him score in the CL etc for the next however long, but yeah I think his Everton career died before it ever really got going. The double sub thing being the nadir.

 

[Goat]

Cant agree there kiddo.
If he really rips it up and gets 25 goals and contributes to a couple of trophies there'll be more than PSG want to sign him for mega bucks.
Still very young , Italian international with plenty of potential.
I think we do hold plenty of cards.

Once Neymar and Icardi are fully fit he wont even play.

I mean sure, if another team comes in and we can get some interest in him, but what ace do we hold? Everybody knows we want rid of him cos he flopped, teams know we don't want him back.

 

[Goat]

Honestly I remember watching him against Sheffield United in about September and going 'oh no, we've done it again'. He just wasn't what we needed, he didn't fit in, you could see it really early on. He's obviously a talent and it'll be hard seeing him score in the CL etc for the next however long, but yeah I think his Everton career died before it ever really got going. The double sub thing being the nadir.

He suits teams that can have a player like him in the side.

Juve, PSG, those teams, teams who don't rely on players.

 

[Pazza]

He clearly doesn't want to be here so see ya

 

[blulouie]

Once Neymar and Icardi are fully fit he wont even play.

I mean sure, if another team comes in and we can get some interest in him, but what ace do we hold? Everybody knows we want rid of him cos he flopped, teams know we don't want him back.

Like when we pursue a player we usually end up paying the going rate .( although Brands has done well pricewise)
I agree , sell him now and we'd be lucky to get our money back.
Leave it til summer and the lad's had a good season , that price rises considerably.
Depends how much Brands needs to recoup the money and when.
Agreed he has no future here.

 

[Death]

Look at it this way. If he was a PSG player how much would it take for us to take thier young prospect banging in goals for fun?

How much would we have to offer before they stop laughing thier heads off and take us seriously?

Cause that's what I'd accept plus another 20 million because we are in no position to be parting with top strikers that compete for leagues and champions leagues.

 

[Carloblues]

Again, i'm not interested in why he failed, i'm just saying he failed. He couldn't get in the team and we loaned him out to put Cenk Tosun on the bench, that's a failure. I'm not saying he's rubbish or anything, just that his Everton career has been a failure, it's really weird to suggest it hasn't.

The manager who you're saying managed him in a ridiculous way will still be the manager when he comes back, so what will have changed? Will he want to be so horribly mismanaged again? Will Ancelotti's opinion of him have dramatically changed over the course of the season? Will his ability to score goals have been a total revelation to one of the most decorated managers in the game, something he hadn't foreseen at all? I'm guessing the answer to all those things is no. The proof will be in the pudding and i'd love to be proved wrong, but in my opinion people are massively overstating our position here. I think he'll go for between £30-35m, depending on how good Brands' pokerface is.

We didn't loan him out to put cenk on the bench though so that's wrong, we loaned him out because he wanted games and Carlo/brands acknowledged sitting on the Everton bench for another year was doing nor us or Kean any good.

What would have changed is Kean would have went to one of the world's best teams and scored 30 goals ( that is the point you are referring back to? )

We might well go and sell him for 30-35 mill but again this wouldn't be good business based on how he has done for psg this season, now if we had sold him straight away at the start of the season for that price you'd be happy with that, but he has shown this season he's a talented lad who knows how to score goals.

Goal scorers go for massive money, never mind young goal scorers

 

[Goat]

Look at it this way. If he was a PSG player how much would it take for us to take thier young prospect banging in goals for fun?

How much would we have to offer before they stop laughing thier heads off and take us seriously?

Cause that's what I'd accept plus another 20 million because we are in no position to be parting with top strikers that compete for leagues and champions leagues.

If he was a player PSG wanted to keep? No chance, but a player PSG wanted to sell?

 

[Death]

If he was a player PSG wanted to keep? No chance, but a player PSG wanted to sell?

Well they wouldn't want to sell to anybody right now id imagine it would take a laughable offer I'd presume. So we must factor that in.

 

[Goat]

Well they wouldn't want to sell to anybody right now id imagine it would take a laughable offer I'd presume. So we must factor that in.

Let's see if Poch even wants him.

He's playing now cos Neymar and Icardi are out.

Hopefully we can still sell him to some other mugs.

 

[Lanolin]

We didn't loan him out to put cenk on the bench though so that's wrong, we loaned him out because he wanted games and Carlo/brands acknowledged sitting on the Everton bench for another year was doing nor us or Kean any good.

What would have changed is Kean would have went to one of the world's best teams and scored 30 goals ( that is the point you are referring back to? )

We might well go and sell him for 30-35 mill but again this wouldn't be good business based on how he has done for psg this season, now if we had sold him straight away at the start of the season for that price you'd be happy with that, but he has shown this season he's a talented lad who knows how to score goals.

Goal scorers go for massive money, never mind young goal scorers

I’ve never said it would be good business? I think you’re confused about the point being made. I’m not saying he’s rubbish or anything, I’m saying the fact that his Everton career has been a failure and the fact that he is highly likely to want to move are extremely relevant when working out his transfer value. Do I think he may one day be sold for £50m+? Yes. Do I think Everton are in a position to demand that much now? No. You’re saying we hold all the cards, I’m telling you we don’t. Thats not how markets work.

 

[SiEdmo]

I disagree. I think he's decided to put a shift in this season so he gets his move, rather than go on virtual strike as he did last season, as that probably put off some potential buyers.

yeah you may be right