2020/21 Moise Kean

[Moomin]

But if the lad doesn't want to be here and the buying club aren't desperate, they're not very good cards.

It’s not like when we bid for a player and that player wants to join us. But, the selling club wants more than we have offered! What do our fans say?? I can’t for the life of me ever remember someone on here saying “ Well the selling club hold all the cards here lads, let’s cough up “

We usually say “ The player will force the move, they don’t want to keep an unhappy player “ or “ He will throw in a transfer request “

Amazing that it’s a different story when it’s the other way round.

 

[Carloblues]

But if the lad doesn't want to be here and the buying club aren't desperate, they're not very good cards.

But but but


We don't know keans situation, if he's told he'll play lots of games next season he might be willing to give it another go.

Isn't he their top goalscorer? Apart from the obvious players such as haaland and mbappe, is Kean not the highest scorer in Europe right now around his age?

Don't know how many times I can say the same thing mate, young players who score goals will go for a fortune, we will not be selling kean on the cheap.

 

[Lanolin]

But but but


We don't know keans situation, if he's told he'll play lots of games next season he might be willing to give it another go.

Isn't he their top goalscorer? Apart from the obvious players such as haaland and mbappe, is Kean not the highest scorer in Europe right now around his age?

Don't know how many times I can say the same thing mate, young players who score goals will go for a fortune, we will not be selling kean on the cheap.

Not one person has said we'll sell him on the cheap. The rumour is that PSG are ready to offer £31m, so more than we paid for him. Some people are saying we should get double that, others are saying they'd be surprised if we get much more than that. You yourself have said that we may well sell him for that much. I'm not entirely sure what it is you're arguing at this point.

 

[Carloblues]

Not one person has said we'll sell him on the cheap. The rumour is that PSG are ready to offer £31m, so more than we paid for him. Some people are saying we should get double that, others are saying they'd be surprised if we get much more than that. You yourself have said that we may well sell him for that much. I'm not entirely sure what it is you're arguing at this point.

The point I have made several times that you never replied to last night and then left out of this post is we wont be selling on the cheap BECAUSE we hold the aces in his contract, we determine what we get, people are saying he holds all the power, we should accept whatever we get for him, he's a failure.

If anyone at Everton has any sense they will tell psg to eff off and wait until the summer when the season is over. If he goes on and gets another 15/20 goals his value will only shoot up.

So to summarise, my point is psg will not be getting Kean for around what we paid for him, or at the very least they 100% shouldn't be.

 

[davids]

Two different things though mate, in a situation like bolasie and ozil they do have the power as ultimately the decision to leave comes down to the player, us and Kean comes down to us as ultimately the decision yo accept the bid falls to us as a club.

And if we refuse the move that he wants so he downs tools ( but not in an obvious way) ? So what do you think we should do if that happens? Let him play in the U23s while his value plummets ?
Players will always get their way contract or not.

 

[davids]

Not one person has said we'll sell him on the cheap. The rumour is that PSG are ready to offer £31m, so more than we paid for him. Some people are saying we should get double that, others are saying they'd be surprised if we get much more than that. You yourself have said that we may well sell him for that much. I'm not entirely sure what it is you're arguing at this point.

The sake of argument?

 

[Eggs]

....have to admit the club look to be playing this one very well. I would’ve bit PSG‘s hand off for anything in the region of £20m, but Brands seems to be backing his judgement on the players worth.

He was totally ineffective here and there was little or no sign of that situation changing. I feel we should get as much as we can and re-invest in a player who can make a difference.

 

[JMT]

The problem is that until Neymar or Mbappe leave Kean will be a rotated player so PSG will unlikely go overboard however I think you have to factor in his age and what he's done at PSG even if he's a rotational player. 8 goals in 12 apps...that is really good even for the farmers league, Also 31m for someone in my eyes has a high % to turn into a very talented player is too low. You could say PSG could buy some other lad if they don't want to go overboard but they also want to win games while resting the big guns and if Kean bags them goals then I don't see why we shouldn't ask for more.

 

[Carloblues]

And if we refuse the move that he wants so he downs tools ( but not in an obvious way) ? So what do you think we should do if that happens? Let him play in the U23s while his value plummets ?
Players will always get their way contract or not.

This is all guess work though isn't it. Kean tried whenever he got minutes last season, doesn't seem the type to not bother.

The reason he won't down tools is because he's Abar 20, if he downs tools and gets stuck in our reserves for 3 years what next for him? Who's gonna want to take a feller who sulks when he doesn't get his own way and has spent the best playing years of his life in the u23

 

[Thomasc]

....have to admit the club look to be playing this one very well. I would’ve bit PSG‘s hand off for anything in the region of £20m, but Brands seems to be backing his judgement on the players worth.

He was totally ineffective here and there was little or no sign of that situation changing. I feel we should get as much as we can and re-invest in a player who can make a difference.

Yep I agree.

while he is scoring for PSG, his value is increasing, so there is absolutely no panic to sell to them on the cheap now.

If he carries on notching and improving then others will be interested in him in the summer too, or he comes back here a much better player after learning off Mbappe and Neymar.

 

[davids]

This is all guess work though isn't it. Kean tried whenever he got minutes last season, doesn't seem the type to not bother.

The reason he won't down tools is because he's Abar 20, if he downs tools and gets stuck in our reserves for 3 years what next for him? Who's gonna want to take a feller who sulks when he doesn't get his own way and has spent the best playing years of his life in the u23

You obviously didn't notice anything in his body language in his last games with us. As pointed out by a previous poster his non celebration of the goal spoke volumes. And he doesn't even need to down tools,just not quite give his all and let's be honest his first touch wasn't the best in the first place.

 

[Lanolin]

The point I have made several times that you never replied to last night and then left out of this post is we wont be selling on the cheap BECAUSE we hold the aces in his contract, we determine what we get, people are saying he holds all the power, we should accept whatever we get for him, he's a failure.

If anyone at Everton has any sense they will tell psg to eff off and wait until the summer when the season is over. If he goes on and gets another 15/20 goals his value will only shoot up.

So to summarise, my point is psg will not be getting Kean for around what we paid for him, or at the very least they 100% shouldn't be.

I didn't reply last night because i got bored mate, not because you'd bamboozled with me an amazing point. I have addressed the point in every reply previously, and so have other people.

It's as if you've never bought or sold anything before. Of course in theory it's entirely up to us how much we sell him for. We can ask for whatever we want, we can turn down any bid and point blank refuse to sell him, he can't leave unless we allow him to. We hold the cards in that sense, nobody has disputed any of that. The point is that in the real world, I think we probably do want to sell him, he will want to go, and I'm not sure that PSG will be that desperate to buy him. They'll want to buy him obviously, but there's a difference between saying 'yes this is good business at £35m' and 'this is our number 1 target in world football and we will pay whatever it takes to get him in'. They have money and pulling power, if we say we want £60m they might well say well if we're going big we might as well go really big and sign Haaland instead, see you later.

I'm obviously only giving an opinion, I may be way off, but my feeling is that we will not be able to get a lot more than is currently being mentioned.

 

[Carloblues]

I didn't reply last night because i got bored mate, not because you'd bamboozled with me an amazing point. I have addressed the point in every reply previously, and so have other people.

bored of posting the same wrong rubbish? maybe you should have stopped then.

It's as if you've never bought or sold anything before. Of course in theory it's entirely up to us how much we sell him for. We can ask for whatever we want, we can turn down any bid and point blank refuse to sell him, he can't leave unless we allow him to. We hold the cards in that sense, nobody has disputed any of that.

so after all that you're saying I'm right? thanks

also I'm not into the arl "vaulting" but people have been saying exactly that, your buddy the goat feller has said it several times.

The point is that in the real world, I think we probably do want to sell him, he will want to go, and I'm not sure that PSG will be that desperate to buy him. They'll want to buy him obviously, but there's a difference between saying 'yes this is good business at £35m' and 'this is our number 1 target in world football and we will pay whatever it takes to get him in'. They have money and pulling power, if we say we want £60m they might well say well if we're going big we might as well go really big and sign Haaland instead, see you later.

and in the real world if PSG don't offer what we want we say no and they move on to other targets, you are aware this happens a lot?

don't get me wrong, my whole debate isn't to say KEAN IS WORTH THIS WE SHOULDNT SELL HIM FOR A PENNY LESS

my point is just to sell now, at a tiny profit whilst he's scoring goals at one of the best teams in the world seems foolish, we should wait until his stock is at it's very highest.

I'm obviously only giving an opinion, I may be way off, but my feeling is that we will not be able to get a lot more than is currently being mentioned.

no one does, it's all hindsight isn't it

1) poch comes in, icardi get's fit and kean hardly starts/scores again until the end of the season and we missed out on 31m as PSG no longer want him

2) we sell him for 31m and he continues to score goals all season, ends up on about 20-30 goals and we have sold an asset for a fraction of what we could have got.

 

[Paul Rideout]

But but but


We don't know keans situation, if he's told he'll play lots of games next season he might be willing to give it another go.

Isn't he their top goalscorer? Apart from the obvious players such as haaland and mbappe, is Kean not the highest scorer in Europe right now around his age?

Don't know how many times I can say the same thing mate, young players who score goals will go for a fortune, we will not be selling kean on the cheap.

Surely if Kean is PSGs top goal scorer it means he has more goals than that obvious player Mbappe?

 

[Carloblues]

Surely if Kean is PSGs top goal scorer it means he has more goals than that obvious player Mbappe?

Didn't know how many goals mbappe had tbh couldn't be bothered looking.

Just checked, he's got more than Kean.