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Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
I think you may some great points.
For me it’s all about playing in Europe and really the champions league and finally challenging for trophies. We need to be seen as a big club across Europe. Or we will struggle to attract top youngsters. They ain’t coming to sit on the bench for 2yrs.
Even Spurs, who’ve played champions league football 4 of the last 5 years. Can’t get a quality back up for Kane. Liverpool have had the same front 3 for 4 seasons. Who’ve hardly any injuries. They would have been scrapping the barrel if they had.
Maybe the josh king type signing is where we’re at , at this moment. Or probably the only top player we could sign, would be a Zaha who could play across the front 3. And happy the compete with 3 others for 3 positions.
Or you maybe go for a youngster who’s a level below ie lookman, who sits on the bench, then goes on loan the next season, but even they won’t wait around for 3/4 years.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
He scored for us on his last two league starts. They just happened to be 7 months apart. Which is kind of the definition of not getting chances.
Teams will be aware of Kean's desire to leave, coupled with the fact that we won't want to keep an unhappy player sulking around, therefore may be forced to compromise.
Based on his performances for us, if we made our money back i'd be pretty happy.
The difference is that PSG and Dortmund are both playing in the CL already and have much lesser opposition on their league to compete with, meaning they can afford more opportunities to young players.
Right now we're fighting to get into Europe and compete with the best in the league, we don't have the luxury of giving lots of chances to young players so they can prove themselves. It's sad but absolutely the right thing for the club to do. If we did that, we'd end up just like Southampton or Rennes or Valencia where you have to sell them off to the better teams as you can't give them the platform they eventually need.
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
So he scored on his start at the end of last season, presumably giving him a bit of a boost, so why then didn’t he start at Spurs? Why did he struggle against League 2 Salford?
To be fair though, despite Kean getting all these goals and that, he was never a better footballer than Cenk Tosun.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
A few months at PSG, importantly on loan, scoring goals doesn't confirm he is now the kind of personality that won't drop his head again at the first sight of adversity if he came back, in my opinion. He is the polar opposite of a Lukaku or a DCL in that regard, who were both absolutely bulletproof. To me, that's a sign he's not the right fit.
I don't know, but it's just a suspicion that if PSG sign him and he is all of a sudden a valued squad member with a big transfer fee, on a higher wage, then at some point, challenges will come, expectations will have been established, criticism will come his way and his head will drop again and he'll get bombed out. I suspect that being told he has to stay here will have that effect anyway to be honest.
I could be completely wrong and he may sign for them and have a great time there, it's just the impression I got of him while he was here watching his sub appearances waiting for something (and then getting OT, for example).
I don't really care how many goals he scores on his loan there. I'd keep a steady hand here and take even a modest profit for him in the summer. I feel that in the long-run, we won't look bad.
I'm still holding out a shred of hope for a 40m+ ffp bailout but the reality is we're in an awful negotiating position for many reasons.
I don't know, but it's just a suspicion that if PSG sign him and he is all of a sudden a valued squad member with a big transfer fee, on a higher wage, then at some point, challenges will come, expectations will have been established, criticism will come his way and his head will drop again and he'll get bombed out. I suspect that being told he has to stay here will have that effect anyway to be honest.
I could be completely wrong and he may sign for them and have a great time there, it's just the impression I got of him while he was here watching his sub appearances waiting for something (and then getting OT, for example).
I don't really care how many goals he scores on his loan there. I'd keep a steady hand here and take even a modest profit for him in the summer. I feel that in the long-run, we won't look bad.
I'm still holding out a shred of hope for a 40m+ ffp bailout but the reality is we're in an awful negotiating position for many reasons.
Baggzio
Player Valuation: £15m
This is nonsense. Everyone was delighted to hear Gordon earlier in the season talk about wanting more game time and going to Carlo directly to demand it yet out of all players that moaned about game time among Lookman, Kean and Gordon it’s only Lookman and Kean who get vilified for it.
No one claims Gordon had attitude problems, no one says he needs to show more effort in training. In fact everyone clamoured for him to get more game time because of it despite as I said not showing nearly enough. Kean and Lookman went out on loan to Champions League sides and played very well, Gordon went out to a mid table Championship side and doesn’t seem to have played yet.
Interesting why those 2 specifically get abuse for wanting to play and brought up constantly, claiming they’re lazy and crap yet Gordon just needs time and is well in his right to demand more game time. What makes them different?....
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
You can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.
You're throwing out questions that only the players can answer.
End of the day, Kean is out on loan. He's our player. He comes back...see what he says to Carlo.
Before that, what you're alluding to is what? Play Kean regularly to make him happy? If he doesn't improve, what then? Keeping playing him?
hallamblue
Player Valuation: £40m
You know who his agent is, right?
kenada_blue
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No one's abusing them. The difference is Gordon wants to play for Everton, Kean and Lookman don't/didn't.
I don't see it as an attitude problem or them sulking. I see it as they think they're better than playing for Everton. So rather than biding time and grabbing the opportunity to play for us, they haven't and found moves away.
Silva didn't want rid of Lookman, Carlo doesn't want to get rid of Kean. Brands wanted Lookman to stay, and wants Kean to stay.
It's up to the players. That's the point.
kenada_blue
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He played 29 times and started 6 games last season. Scored 2 goals.
I must have missed all those appearances where people thought "Yeah. He should start next game".
It's not a charity. You earn your place. Silva and Carlo make that decision.
I don't get the argument that the club has let him down rather than looking at the player and asking "has he done enough?"
GBracey77
Player Valuation: £500k
To be fair just because he has scored a few goals in a poor French Ligue 1 playing with Neymar and Mbappe plus Veratti & co behind him doesn't all of a sudden make him a world beater. My opinion was based off what i had seen of him playing for Everton and he was not very good 99% of the time.
Jose Altidore would score a hat full in that PSG side, doesnt make him a great player!
yes, I imagine though he is neutral as to future location as long as the pennies role in.
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