Morgan Schneiderlin

[davek]

So a player in that particular role can never be deemed great because they keep it simple and break up play? What is a great player?

Great players are creative. Great players can swing momentum in big games. Great players get you on the edge of your seat.

Players who break up play are functional.

 

[davek]

Dave was makalele or essien great?

No.

 

[Nymzee]

Great players are creative. Great players can swing momentum in big games. Great players get you on the edge of your seat.

Players who break up play are functional.

But also necessary. Defenders aren't creative (generally) and don't swing momentum so can they never be a great player?

 

[blue to the bone]

Great players help you to win games .
Kante has helped Chelsea win plenty

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

But also necessary. Defenders aren't creative (generally) and don't swing momentum so can they never be a great player?

I disagree. A good hard tackle can change the course of a match. Good ole captain Phil against Ronaldo being an example.

 

[bring the ghost on]

No.

Upon Claude Makelele's departure to Chelsea and David Beckham's subsequent arrival in 2003, Zinedine Zidane said "Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?"

 

[Nymzee]

I disagree. A good hard tackle can change the course of a match. Good ole captain Phil against Ronaldo being an example.

Why can't a defensive midfielder do this then?

 

[davek]

Great players help you to win games .
Kante has helped Chelsea win plenty

In the past players like Nobby Styles or Johnny Giles would never have been talked of as greats. They were toilers who could play a little bit. And that's a pretty good description of the likes of Kante.

It's a quirk of the current state the industry is in that such players are lauded. I mean, Kante winning that PFA award over a class act like Hazard the other night is a joke....but that's where the priorities of the game have switched to now.

It's a by-product of the OPTA stats/championship manager consuming generation.

 

[davek]

Upon Claude Makelele's departure to Chelsea and David Beckham's subsequent arrival in 2003, Zinedine Zidane said "Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?"

HE was the engine, not Makelele.

 

[blue to the bone]

In the past players like Nobby Styles or Johnny Giles would never have been talked of as greats. They were toilers who could play a little bit. And that's a pretty good description of the likes of Kante.

It's a quirk of the current state the industry is in that such players are lauded. I mean, Kante winning that PFA award over a class act like Hazard the other night is a joke....but that's where the priorities of the game have switched to now.

It's a by-product of the OPTA stats/championship manager consuming generation.

You don't win trophies with a team of hazards . Kante is every bit as important. When hazard was sulking last year kante was helping Leicester win the league. Nothing to do with stats. It's all about wins

 

[Jebus_lives]

Great players are creative. Great players can swing momentum in big games. Great players get you on the edge of your seat.

Players who break up play are functional.

This suggests that a goalkeeper or CB can never be great because they dont do the glamour stuff. But footballers know that a top class defensive player is essential to a great team...you cannot call someone as vitally important as Makelele a 'toiler'.

 

[davek]

This suggests that a goalkeeper or CB can never be great because they dont do the glamour stuff. But footballers know that a top class defensive player is essential to a great team...you cannot call someone as vitally important as Makelele a 'toiler'.

Defenders can be greats. Your confusing position with role. Players like Beckenbauer or Moore were greats because they could play out from deep as well as move to eliminate danger.

 

[davek]

You don't win trophies with a team of hazards . Kante is every bit as important. When hazard was sulking last year kante was helping Leicester win the league. Nothing to do with stats. It's all about wins

I'm not saying they're unimportant. Kante provided a base for a player like Mahrez to play off. The latter won Leicester the title. He was the key player.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Great players are creative. Great players can swing momentum in big games. Great players get you on the edge of your seat.

Players who break up play are functional.

On this note, the last time Everton won anything, in 1995, the MOTM was Dave Watson and in my opinion the most edge of the seat moments in that game came from Southall blocking scholes, Butt and McClair.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Defenders can be greats. Your confusing position with role. Players like Beckenbauer or Moore were greats because they could play out from deep as well as move to eliminate danger.

No im not. You are trying to suggest players like Keane, Vieirra and Makelele are not greats because they 'just' break up play and 'toil' which confuses role and position.

You can be a toiler like Lee Cattermole or you can be a defensive midfielder like Makelele. In any road, Schniederlin doesnt fall into either category, he is more of a playmaker, similar to Carrick, who sits deep. Position with role.....