Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs

[Matt Damon]

get over yourself, i know this board, and previous ones, have invested little or nothing into the infrastructure of this club, just because you whinge about villa(who cares ffs?) doesn't mean a thing . i am only concerned with everton, and until a wage structure is brought in ACROSS EUROPE, little will change. its still fiddling while rome burns .

in eleven years, this board have not invested ONE PENNY into the infrastructure, we sell to keep the wolf from the door, due to their incopetance.

The expression "squaring the circle" is sometimes used as a metaphor for doing something logically or intuitively impossible.


It's intuitively impossible for some (like you it would seem) to GRASP just whats going on in football!

The FIRST STEP of WINNING is keeping the wolf from the door.

The SECOND STEP of WINNING is getting a collective group of TALENT together at the same time to win things

The THIRD STEP of WINNING is using that success to bring in investment to get the INFRASTRUCTURE in place quickly

The FOURTH STEP of WINNING is using that revenue to further improve and replace TALENT to further increase likelihood of ongoing success


SQUARING THE CIRCLE, they call that


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle


Manchester United did it in the early 1990's and surpassed the RS with it.

 

[kenada_blue]

The FIRST STEP of WINNING is keeping the wolf from the door.

Interest on the bank loans...sell everything that's not nailed down to do so which leaves little room to action -

The SECOND STEP of WINNING is getting a collective group of TALENT together at the same time to win things

Moyes in charge for 9 years...won zip. Sells key players to fund transfers.

The THRID STEP of WINNING is using that success to bring in investment to get the INFRASTRUCTURE in place quickly

Need to overcome step 2...but with step 1 hurting step 2...we're stuck.

The FOURTH STEP of WINNING is using that revenue to further improve and replace TALENT to further increase likelihood of ongoing success

We sell any talent to overcome step 2. Step 2 is the sticking point.

Manchester United did it in the early 1990's and surpassed the RS with it.

United hit at the right time...when the money began to poor in when the Premier League started. You win things, you get the money, you reinvest in everything.

But you need to win first.

 

[Chang Elephant]

No he (Lerner) just calls them "management fees" of £ 8 MILLION a season

FFS Matt, that's incredible, it seems chairmen across the country are screwing their clubs. When do we go public with this story? Maybe we can get Bascombe on it.

 

[Matt Damon]

FFS Matt, that's incredible, it seems chairmen across the country are screwing their clubs. When do we go public with this story? Maybe we can get Bascombe on it.

If you knew what is going on at Villa (and it was EXTRAORDINARY) that Davek was clapping on the Villa fans on here about how good things were at Villa,

then you'd know about Lerner's annual take from Villa is £8m.


I've told you Kenwright's taking £3m out of the club every year (by other means) but you're just not listening.

 

[sirblue57]

The expression "squaring the circle" is sometimes used as a metaphor for doing something logically or intuitively impossible.


It's intuitively impossible for some (like you it would seem) to GRASP just whats going on in football!

i wish my bank balance was as big as your ego,i will make this simple for you,i understand what YOUR saying, but what im saying is;
we are skint, poor, lacking in money/moolah/cash
this is due to LACK OF INVESTMENT, (the boards responsibility)
we have not won a trophy for 16(SIXTEEN) years
when we got into the champions league, we failed to invest AGAIN
our ground has been neglected for so long , its disgraceful.
so going on your "squaring the wheel" theory, how does that work for us.

and for gods sake do not compare us with utd in the 90s, that just made you look sillier than normal.

 

[milks]

i wish my bank balance was as big as your ego,i will make this simple for you,i understand what YOUR saying, but what im saying is;
we are skint, poor, lacking in money/moolah/cash
this is due to LACK OF INVESTMENT, (the boards responsibility)
we have not won a trophy for 16(SIXTEEN) years
when we got into the champions league, we failed to invest AGAIN
our ground has been neglected for so long , its disgraceful.
so going on your "squaring the wheel" theory, how does that work for us.

and for gods sake do not compare us with utd in the 90s, that just made you look sillier than normal.

Are you suggesting that the board should put their hands in their pockets and give their money to Everton, or do you have more of an issue with the way that the club is run as a commercial entity?

I've not been able to nail this down from your posts over the past couple of weeks. I hope, really, that it's not the former.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I've told you Kenwright's taking £3m out of the club every year (by other means) but you're just not listening.

I just don't think scouting fees is the way even a complete nob would go about it, too stupidly transparent even for him. There's been various interesting issues over the years though.

As for Villa, I don't give a flying one. Their affairs don't have the relevance to EFC that you and others seek to attribute, and labour on about for whatever reason.

 

[Matt Damon]

i wish my bank balance was as big as your ego,i will make this simple for you,i understand what YOUR saying, but what im saying is;
we are skint, poor, lacking in money/moolah/cash
this is due to LACK OF INVESTMENT, (the boards responsibility)
we have not won a trophy for 16(SIXTEEN) years
when we got into the champions league, we failed to invest AGAIN
our ground has been neglected for so long , its disgraceful.
so going on your "squaring the wheel" theory, how does that work for us.

and for gods sake do not compare us with utd in the 90s, that just made you look sillier than normal.

The fact you've said you're not interested in Villa's finances in comparison to Everton's and that you're still commenting here, says more than enough.

And it's SQUARING THE CIRCLE. Its from classical geometry.

 

[Matt Damon]

I just don't think scouting fees is the way even a complete nob would go about it, too stupidly transparent even for him. There's been various interesting issues over the years though.

As for Villa, I don't give a flying one. Their affairs don't have the relevance to EFC that you and others seek to attribute, and labour on about for whatever reason.

They have more relevance than you think.

The more Villa struggle, the better. Then we'll finish above them and earn that extra tv and prize money and then they'll not have the finance to challenge Everton for players.


Its simple really.

 

[sirblue57]

Are you suggesting that the board should put their hands in their pockets and give their money to Everton, or do you have more of an issue with the way that the club is run as a commercial entity?

I've not been able to nail this down from your posts over the past couple of weeks. I hope, really, that it's not the former.

as matt said, utd came out in the 90s and then dominated, what he failed to state was they invested in their ground when they had the chance, something this board, and previous ones didn't. this is my point, while matt scoffs at villa for spending money on the squad,(their ground is in better nick than ours anyway) what have we done? borrowed to pay last years loans/interest .
i would have rather this board took a chance on investing in the infrastructure, they have had opportunities, and missed them, we are suffering for the lack of vision and business savey, and before matt starts with another sermon, you speculate to accumulate, this board has not done that. yet when they sell, they will make a profit, just because the premier league has grown, not because of anything they have done.

 

[Matt Damon]

21 pages, incredible.to tell us what? moyes will not go to villa because they have less money than us, sorry but its all bulls##t. i dont care about any other teams finances, but what shines through, despite what the differing sides spout, is this. in the short time lerner has been at villa, he has put more into the club than kenwright, earl and green combined. just because the manager has wasted it is beside the point. we have a manager who has proved he can build a team on almost nothing, yet the antagonists in this debate talk more about finances instead of missed opportunity. and some of these same people have previously defended this board. weird and disgusting are words that spring to mind.

as matt said, utd came out in the 90s and then dominated, what he failed to state was they invested in their ground when they had the chance, something this board, and previous ones didn't. this is my point, while matt scoffs at villa for spending money on the squad,(their ground is in better nick than ours anyway) what have we done? borrowed to pay last years loans/interest .
i would have rather this board took a chance on investing in the infrastructure, they have had opportunities, and missed them, we are suffering for the lack of vision and business savey, and before matt starts with another sermon, you speculate to accumulate, this board has not done that. yet when they sell, they will make a profit, just because the premier league has grown, not because of anything they have done.

So. Now you've got and the earlier statment all that off your chest:


Are Villa going to outspend us this summer (net)?

And is Moyes going to Villa seeing as they're in such a great position?


I guess your bird didn't tell you it's not necessarily about how big your wad is, its what you do her with that counts!

 

[fozzy]

the man from lcab says yes!!!

oh no sorry he dont surly if he knew about moyes he would have told us!!

 

[sirblue57]

So. Now you've got and the earlier statment all that off your chest:


Are Villa going to outspend us this summer (net)?

And is Moyes going to Villa seeing as they're in such a great position?


I guess your bird didn't tell you it's not necessarily about how big your wad is, its what you do her with that counts!

1) lets see, we don't have a great record for spending lately,
2) i never said he would
3) i married a woman, birds only go for worms, go figure brainiac.

 

[milks]

as matt said, utd came out in the 90s and then dominated, what he failed to state was they invested in their ground when they had the chance, something this board, and previous ones didn't. this is my point, while matt scoffs at villa for spending money on the squad,(their ground is in better nick than ours anyway) what have we done? borrowed to pay last years loans/interest .
i would have rather this board took a chance on investing in the infrastructure, they have had opportunities, and missed them, we are suffering for the lack of vision and business savey, and before matt starts with another sermon, you speculate to accumulate, this board has not done that. yet when they sell, they will make a profit, just because the premier league has grown, not because of anything they have done.

No. Business basics dictate that you operate within your means. Speculative investment is a terrible strategy for any business. This is the reason that so many football clubs have experienced such problems. This is why Hicks/Gillett almost put Liverpool out of business. This is how Siniwatra almost put Man City out of business. This is why Notts County almost went out of business. Leeds, Cardiff, Portsmouth....I could go on.

I posted something along these lines months back offering a comparison to my small business. Basically, if we want/need to buy something, we have to earn the money so that we can afford it. We do not borrow to fund it.

It's the Littlewoods catalogue philosophy. I want a new telly. I wait until I can afford a new telly. I could go and by a new telly on the never-never, but then I'm in debted to someone else...and that new telly is going to cost me lots more. Is that extra cost going to benefit me? Now....do I NEED that new telly?

 

[Matt Damon]

No. Business basics dictate that you operate within your means. Speculative investment is a terrible strategy for any business. This is the reason that so many football clubs have experienced such problems. This is why Hicks/Gillett almost put Liverpool out of business. This is how Siniwatra almost put Man City out of business. This is why Notts County almost went out of business. Leeds, Cardiff, Portsmouth....I could go on.

I posted something along these lines months back offering a comparison to my small business. Basically, if we want/need to buy something, we have to earn the money so that we can afford it. We do not borrow to fund it.

It's the Littlewoods catalogue philosophy. I want a new telly. I wait until I can afford a new telly. I could go and by a new telly on the never-never, but then I'm in debted to someone else...and that new telly is going to cost me lots more. Is that extra cost going to benefit me? Now....do I NEED that new telly?

Its classic risk v reward

and game theory. If you speculate, you spread the risk. You're after maximum reward for minimum risk.

The way to spread the risk for Everton is increase turnover NOW, and get the infrastructure in place.


Those not doing that are only increasing risk to the business, otherwise long term.

So we do understand this point. But this has to be done by spreading risk (minimizing cost / debt to the business)




But the reason for comparison with Villa: they did the complete opposite. They played maximum risk for maximum gain. And they're paying the consequence.

This is why we bang on about it, and why we compare with the likes of Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle and others! To Everton.

It IS important!