Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs

[sirblue57]

No doubt. I personally feel that all the opportunities and increase in any revenue stream has been solely on the back of Moyes and his ability to create those avenues.

Its debatable whether a overhaul is needed because, quite frankly, non of the board invest but all agree and mis-managed a lot in order to progress the club. But Moyes will want to move on if he has ambitions.

Kenwright is not a business man and is advised plenty from outside sources. Whether they have agendas for themselves, I dont know but they're the ones dictating the club and how it moves forward it seems.

But the lack of calculated risks/gambles at prime moments throughout Moyes' management is where the term of lack of ambition comes from. The fact there's no spare £10million from somewhere that could bag a Landon Donovan or a Eden Hazard in consecuative seasons and gamble on a higher league place, exposure in other countries, expand the fanbase and marketting, shows the frustration fans have.

Champions League place. Was never capitalised or pushed on from. The 2009 FA Cup Final. We lost a key defender and made last minute splurges on 3 players - one of which we will see a loss on.

Im not talking about going stupid compared to other teams Damon will no doubt bring up. But you'd think that any of the board would find some small investment every 2 seasons or so and believe in David Moyes.

There's a lot that happens on the back of one signing, it states intent, the unsettled players want to stay, you may finish higher in the league, more TV, European place etc etc a buzz is generated. And as you mentioned, transfer fees are generally not paid up front in one go - so the more you think about it, the less risk it could be rather than invest nothing and finish lower in the league.

The Landon Donovan transfer/non-starter was an absolute balls up of a miss opportunity for example. £10million you get Mr Soccer, you hammer the states, you get his sponsors, you get exposure in the US and increase your fanbase, shirt sales, marketability - almost make 50% of his transfee fee back in shirt sales if it paid off. No one stumped up and put his arse on the line for that, no one backed Moyes to say "he'll make us finish higher" etc.

Compared this to Hernandez at United. £6million. Nailed on 15+ goals per season. Now the entire country of Mexico wear United shirts with his name on that its overtook Barca as the biggest football following over there.

Its those things that hurt. Its those calculated risks on a transfer front that stop progression on the pitch. IMO.

the best post in this thread by a mile, <applauds> well said sir.

 

[royal_blue]

I checked earlier and Moyes was 6/1 to be next AV manager. I checked again just now and he's second favourite again at 3/1. (Skybet).

 

[Ring master]

I checked earlier and Moyes was 6/1 to be next AV manager. I checked again just now and he's second favourite again at 3/1. (Skybet).

I would not worry about him leaving for Villa-he'll stay,he was fav a few weeks ago then went right down,now he's back to 2nd fav for the simple reason no one wants to be villa boss,thats how i take it at the minute anyway

 

[Matt Damon]

I would not worry about him leaving for Villa-he'll stay,he was fav a few weeks ago then went right down,now he's back to 2nd fav for the simple reason no one wants to be villa boss,thats how i take it at the minute anyway

Same. The bookies don't have a clue, because NO ONE WANTS IT!

 

[Shoody]

Cant believe this thread is still going. especially as pages 10-35 are basically Damon copy and pasting every other day.

Ignore who is favourite for the Villa job. Absolutely nobody has any idea what is going on. The latest ITK is it is Moyes. Before that it has been Ancelotti and maybe Martinez (going from normally very reliable ITK's similar to how you guys look to LCAB. We look to these guys and they are usually spot on). But as reliable as these guys all are on a normal basis (2 or 3 of them!) they seem to be getting their info from people who simply do not know this time around.

The media know nothing and have spouted an amazing amount of lies over the past week or so. And I believe there have been about 8 or 9 different 'Bookies' Favourite' for the job so far.

The facts are we sent out letters to certain managers 9 days ago (Martinez one of them). Saying we would like to speak with them abotu the possibility of becoming our manager. Some of these would have been accepted, others would not have been and others would have been to out-of-work managers. 2 managers were lined up for an interview at the start of the week. Both with PL experience, possibly a third has been contacted this week for an interview. Dave Whelan came out a full week after we first made contact to say we had made contact (My best guess is he only came out once he knew Martinez would be staying - as for his point of view he now looks great to Wigan fans for keeping Martinez - cant think of many other reasons to wait a week) Rafael may have been contacted (it appears he was) but also seems he wasnt offered the job. Martinez too was not offered the job. He simply declined to come for an interview. McLaren was never contacted.

Im 50/50 if i agree with the club about how this has all been handled. We look a shambles to the world but in all honesty that is only because the media have gone about their business and ran with rumours as full stories (McLaren one of these). So we look a shambles but the fact of the matter is nobody REALLY knows whats going on. which in todays world is a credit to Randy that he is keeping it under wraps.. but media is backfiring against him BADLY.

We'll wait and see. But basically: pay no attention to the bookies. they are affected by the betting market, which is in turn affected by the media, which in turn has bull****ted their way through the process so far. Moyes being favourite means nothing as so far if a manager gets mentioned for a few pages on a few villa forums their odds drop (presume people logging on and placing bets off of idle chit-chat). Pretty sure if i made a few accounts I could get my nan to favourite.

 

[milks]

No doubt. I personally feel that all the opportunities and increase in any revenue stream has been solely on the back of Moyes and his ability to create those avenues.

Its debatable whether a overhaul is needed because, quite frankly, non of the board invest but all agree and mis-managed a lot in order to progress the club. But Moyes will want to move on if he has ambitions.

Kenwright is not a business man and is advised plenty from outside sources. Whether they have agendas for themselves, I dont know but they're the ones dictating the club and how it moves forward it seems.

But the lack of calculated risks/gambles at prime moments throughout Moyes' management is where the term of lack of ambition comes from. The fact there's no spare £10million from somewhere that could bag a Landon Donovan or a Eden Hazard in consecuative seasons and gamble on a higher league place, exposure in other countries, expand the fanbase and marketting, shows the frustration fans have.

Champions League place. Was never capitalised or pushed on from. The 2009 FA Cup Final. We lost a key defender and made last minute splurges on 3 players - one of which we will see a loss on.

Im not talking about going stupid compared to other teams Damon will no doubt bring up. But you'd think that any of the board would find some small investment every 2 seasons or so and believe in David Moyes.

There's a lot that happens on the back of one signing, it states intent, the unsettled players want to stay, you may finish higher in the league, more TV, European place etc etc a buzz is generated. And as you mentioned, transfer fees are generally not paid up front in one go - so the more you think about it, the less risk it could be rather than invest nothing and finish lower in the league.

The Landon Donovan transfer/non-starter was an absolute balls up of a miss opportunity for example. £10million you get Mr Soccer, you hammer the states, you get his sponsors, you get exposure in the US and increase your fanbase, shirt sales, marketability - almost make 50% of his transfee fee back in shirt sales if it paid off. No one stumped up and put his arse on the line for that, no one backed Moyes to say "he'll make us finish higher" etc.

Compared this to Hernandez at United. £6million. Nailed on 15+ goals per season. Now the entire country of Mexico wear United shirts with his name on that its overtook Barca as the biggest football following over there.

Its those things that hurt. Its those calculated risks on a transfer front that stop progression on the pitch. IMO.

You speak a lot of sense Ken, much for others to take note of here. Won't disagree with anything here.

 

[Matt Damon]

Cant believe this thread is still going. especially as pages 10-35 are basically Damon copy and pasting every other day.

Ignore who is favourite for the Villa job. Absolutely nobody has any idea what is going on. The latest ITK is it is Moyes. Before that it has been Ancelotti and maybe Martinez (going from normally very reliable ITK's similar to how you guys look to LCAB. We look to these guys and they are usually spot on).

The media know nothing and have spouted an amazing amount of lies over the past week or so. And I believe there have been about 8 or 9 different 'Bookies' Favourite' for the job so far.

The facts are we sent out letters to certain managers 9 days ago (Martinez one of them). Saying we would like to speak with them abotu the possibility of becoming our manager. Some of these would have been accepted, others would not have been and others would have been to out-of-work managers. 2 managers were lined up for an interview at the start of the week. Both with PL experience, possibly a third has been contacted this week for an interview. Dave Whelan came out a full week after we first made contact to say we had made contact (My best guess is he only came out once he knew Martinez would be staying - as for his point of view he now looks great to Wigan fans for keeping Martinez - cant think of many other reasons to wait a week) Rafael may have been contacted (it appears he was) but also seems he wasnt offered the job. Martinez too was not offered the job. He simply declined to come for an interview. McLaren was never contacted.

Im 50/50 if i agree with the club about how this has all been handled. We look a shambles to the world but in all honesty that is only because the media have gone about their business and ran with rumours as full stories (McLaren one of these). So we look a shambles but the fact of the matter is nobody REALLY knows whats going on. which in todays world is a credit to Randy that he is keeping it under wraps.. but media is backfiring against him BADLY.

We'll wait and see. But basically: pay no attention to the bookies. they are affected by the betting market, which is in turn affected by the media, which in turn has bull****ted their way through the process so far. Moyes being favourite means nothing as so far if a manager gets mentioned for a few pages on a few villa forums their odds drop (presume people logging on and placing bets off of idle chit-chat). Pretty sure if i made a few accounts I could get my nan to favourite.

HE'S HERE!

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!




Come on then Shoody.

What's happened then lid, to all of Villa's MILLIONS from three weeks ago?

And all those managers you were looking at??



The only ITK's at villa it would seem - aren't ITK's since VILLA ARE SKINT !!!!!!

You have NO CHANCE with Moyes.

 

[davek]

Cant believe this thread is still going. especially as pages 10-35 are basically Damon copy and pasting every other day.

Ignore who is favourite for the Villa job. Absolutely nobody has any idea what is going on. The latest ITK is it is Moyes. Before that it has been Ancelotti and maybe Martinez (going from normally very reliable ITK's similar to how you guys look to LCAB. We look to these guys and they are usually spot on). But as reliable as these guys all are on a normal basis (2 or 3 of them!) they seem to be getting their info from people who simply do not know this time around.

The media know nothing and have spouted an amazing amount of lies over the past week or so. And I believe there have been about 8 or 9 different 'Bookies' Favourite' for the job so far.

The facts are we sent out letters to certain managers 9 days ago (Martinez one of them). Saying we would like to speak with them abotu the possibility of becoming our manager. Some of these would have been accepted, others would not have been and others would have been to out-of-work managers. 2 managers were lined up for an interview at the start of the week. Both with PL experience, possibly a third has been contacted this week for an interview. Dave Whelan came out a full week after we first made contact to say we had made contact (My best guess is he only came out once he knew Martinez would be staying - as for his point of view he now looks great to Wigan fans for keeping Martinez - cant think of many other reasons to wait a week) Rafael may have been contacted (it appears he was) but also seems he wasnt offered the job. Martinez too was not offered the job. He simply declined to come for an interview. McLaren was never contacted.

Im 50/50 if i agree with the club about how this has all been handled. We look a shambles to the world but in all honesty that is only because the media have gone about their business and ran with rumours as full stories (McLaren one of these). So we look a shambles but the fact of the matter is nobody REALLY knows whats going on. which in todays world is a credit to Randy that he is keeping it under wraps.. but media is backfiring against him BADLY.

We'll wait and see. But basically: pay no attention to the bookies. they are affected by the betting market, which is in turn affected by the media, which in turn has bull****ted their way through the process so far. Moyes being favourite means nothing as so far if a manager gets mentioned for a few pages on a few villa forums their odds drop (presume people logging on and placing bets off of idle chit-chat). Pretty sure if i made a few accounts I could get my nan to favourite.

Good post mate.

 

[milks]

So we keep Moyes in order to stay mid-table. This is the plan?

No.

Interesting that's what you've taken out of these two paragraphs though.

 

[milks]

Pretty sure if i made a few accounts I could get my nan to favourite.

What price is she at the moment?

 

[Matt Damon]

Cant believe this thread is still going. especially as pages 10-35 are basically Damon copy and pasting every other day.

Ignore who is favourite for the Villa job. Absolutely nobody has any idea what is going on. The latest ITK is it is Moyes. Before that it has been Ancelotti and maybe Martinez (going from normally very reliable ITK's similar to how you guys look to LCAB. We look to these guys and they are usually spot on). But as reliable as these guys all are on a normal basis (2 or 3 of them!) they seem to be getting their info from people who simply do not know this time around.

The media know nothing and have spouted an amazing amount of lies over the past week or so. And I believe there have been about 8 or 9 different 'Bookies' Favourite' for the job so far.

The facts are we sent out letters to certain managers 9 days ago (Martinez one of them). Saying we would like to speak with them abotu the possibility of becoming our manager. Some of these would have been accepted, others would not have been and others would have been to out-of-work managers. 2 managers were lined up for an interview at the start of the week. Both with PL experience, possibly a third has been contacted this week for an interview. Dave Whelan came out a full week after we first made contact to say we had made contact (My best guess is he only came out once he knew Martinez would be staying - as for his point of view he now looks great to Wigan fans for keeping Martinez - cant think of many other reasons to wait a week) Rafael may have been contacted (it appears he was) but also seems he wasnt offered the job. Martinez too was not offered the job. He simply declined to come for an interview. McLaren was never contacted.

Im 50/50 if i agree with the club about how this has all been handled. We look a shambles to the world but in all honesty that is only because the media have gone about their business and ran with rumours as full stories (McLaren one of these). So we look a shambles but the fact of the matter is nobody REALLY knows whats going on. which in todays world is a credit to Randy that he is keeping it under wraps.. but media is backfiring against him BADLY.

We'll wait and see. But basically: pay no attention to the bookies. they are affected by the betting market, which is in turn affected by the media, which in turn has bull****ted their way through the process so far. Moyes being favourite means nothing as so far if a manager gets mentioned for a few pages on a few villa forums their odds drop (presume people logging on and placing bets off of idle chit-chat). Pretty sure if i made a few accounts I could get my nan to favourite.

I'm SERIOUSLY LAUGHING at this "it's the media"

And that you seriously believe this.


VILLA ARE SKINT. How many times can this be emphasized.

You've asked Martinez of WIGAN to be your manager and he's turned you down.

Honestly. Are all of Villa's fans in this denial or what lid?


You don't look a shambles. YOU ARE A SHAMBLES.

Its really NOT the media this time Shoody.

 

[Matt Damon]

Good post mate.

Interesting coming Dave, after him from saying he doesn't consider the majority of Evertonians as REAL Evertonians earlier today.

 

[kenada_blue]

You speak a lot of sense Ken, much for others to take note of here. Won't disagree with anything here.

Cheers.

I can see both arguments in terms of the clubs finances and ways forward.

But no one has sorted out or suggested what happens on the pitch with the conclusion being that things stay the same for a longer period of time till its safe to pop out.

But thinking about it...yeah, we could've/should've pushed the boat out and still be on a stable position.

 

[davek]

No.

Interesting that's what you've taken out of these two paragraphs though.

That was the core message. You said that root and branch change at boardroom level will bring instability, so we rely on Moyes performing well to provide stability. That's the plan that get's us where we are now, not where we want to be.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Cant believe this thread is still going. especially as pages 10-35 are basically Damon copy and pasting every other day.

Ignore who is favourite for the Villa job. Absolutely nobody has any idea what is going on. The latest ITK is it is Moyes. Before that it has been Ancelotti and maybe Martinez (going from normally very reliable ITK's similar to how you guys look to LCAB. We look to these guys and they are usually spot on). But as reliable as these guys all are on a normal basis (2 or 3 of them!) they seem to be getting their info from people who simply do not know this time around.

The media know nothing and have spouted an amazing amount of lies over the past week or so. And I believe there have been about 8 or 9 different 'Bookies' Favourite' for the job so far.

The facts are we sent out letters to certain managers 9 days ago (Martinez one of them). Saying we would like to speak with them abotu the possibility of becoming our manager. Some of these would have been accepted, others would not have been and others would have been to out-of-work managers. 2 managers were lined up for an interview at the start of the week. Both with PL experience, possibly a third has been contacted this week for an interview. Dave Whelan came out a full week after we first made contact to say we had made contact (My best guess is he only came out once he knew Martinez would be staying - as for his point of view he now looks great to Wigan fans for keeping Martinez - cant think of many other reasons to wait a week) Rafael may have been contacted (it appears he was) but also seems he wasnt offered the job. Martinez too was not offered the job. He simply declined to come for an interview. McLaren was never contacted.

Im 50/50 if i agree with the club about how this has all been handled. We look a shambles to the world but in all honesty that is only because the media have gone about their business and ran with rumours as full stories (McLaren one of these). So we look a shambles but the fact of the matter is nobody REALLY knows whats going on. which in todays world is a credit to Randy that he is keeping it under wraps.. but media is backfiring against him BADLY.

We'll wait and see. But basically: pay no attention to the bookies. they are affected by the betting market, which is in turn affected by the media, which in turn has bull****ted their way through the process so far. Moyes being favourite means nothing as so far if a manager gets mentioned for a few pages on a few villa forums their odds drop (presume people logging on and placing bets off of idle chit-chat). Pretty sure if i made a few accounts I could get my nan to favourite.

Good post mate. Hope you get it sorted for the good of the club