Moyes Potential Replacement

[MickM86]

All quiet in Formby today?

Alan Stubbs is on holiday mate, think he's gone away this week for 2 weeks.

Seriously.

 

[micknick]

My tuppence worth- Martinez went in today and told Whelan he wanted to leave- Whelan then came back with a counter offer and said dont make your mind up now- have the weekend and lets meet again next week.

If Martinez decides to stay with Wigan then more fool him and it shows a real lack of ambition- a relegated club or a top 6 club.

 

[TippEverton]

My tuppence worth- Martinez went in today and told Whelan he wanted to leave- Whelan then came back with a counter offer and said dont make your mind up now- have the weekend and lets meet again next week.

If Martinez decides to stay with Wigan then more fool him and it shows a real lack of ambition- a relegated club or a top 6 club.

Maybe Martinez doesn't have any concrete offer, there is nothing to suggest he has been offered a job elsewhere.

 

[hktoffee]

My tuppence worth- Martinez went in today and told Whelan he wanted to leave- Whelan then came back with a counter offer and said dont make your mind up now- have the weekend and lets meet again next week.

If Martinez decides to stay with Wigan then more fool him and it shows a real lack of ambition- a relegated club or a top 6 club.

He better stays at Wigan.

 

[ianefc]

City talk were saying yesterday that everton didnt expect any developments in the next 2 weeks

 

[davek]

Correct, I don't see how him not leaving Wigan is in any way being disrespectful to us.

I don't either. It just underlines to me that Everton have not been pushing at doors forcefully for an external candidate. I feel sure if Martinez - who is still under contract after all - was given a firm indication he was the chosen replacement for Moyes he'd walk away from Wigan and break the contract (the pre-requisite for Everton as they don't want to pay compensation). They're just not serious about having a rigorous process, they have their cheap alternative(s) in place and wont be bothered about chasing experienced PL managers. The whole thing is and has been a complete charade from beginning to end.

 

[Little Ralphy]

People who are saying Laudrup need to give their head a wobble. He has a full head of hair and is a handsome devil, but, those are only two requirements for the Everton Job.

The manager needs to be more experienced IMO, and what Laudrup has done to Swansea in the second half of the season isn't really encouraging.

Also we want a degree of longevity, around 5+ years at least.

Why? He won a trophy and they finished with a respectable league position which was likely their aim, with a squad with a budget about 60% of our own. So by all accounts he achieved more than the club expected of him. Let’s not forget it was Laudrup’s first season in the league. The way he changed the playing style for certain games, hints that he’s the kind of manager that studies the opposition and then works out how to set up his side. Against us at home he played an expansive game and Mirallas blitzed them. At Goodison he recognised the way Everton play and he shut up shop, knew we wouldn’t be able to break them down and he hit us on the break. They had the best chance of that game to be fair. You don’t have to have all of the ball to win a football match.

He beat Arsenal and Chelsea away from home, and they weren’t lucky wins either. Some of the best football of last season was played by Swansea. For Swansea their season finished when they won that trophy. Perhaps there are many younger people on these boards who have never really witnessed the club winning a trophy, but it’s a pretty big thing for everyone involved trust me. Once they’d won that, and were pretty much assured they couldn’t much higher or much lower in the league, they really just played out the remaining games without extending themselves too much. It was still a learning curve for him don’t forget and he’ll likely have still learned many lessons from those games. I think Laudrup showed more tactical intelligence last season than David Moyes has in 11 years at Everton.

Why do people always want longevity? Moyes was here 11 years and we didn’t win a thing. Just because Ferguson was at United for so long and won so many trophies doesn’t mean that strategy will work for everyone. Look at Chelsea, they chop and change their managers constantly and they’ve won every trophy there is to win in that time. Arsene Wenger has been at Arsenal for about 17 years and they haven’t won a thing for the last 7. Relationships don’t always get better with time. While some may get more used to certain things, others may start to get frustrated with the same voice/same message. Sometimes change is good. Managers and their chums in the media keep telling us that stability is the right way, because it ensures they stay in jobs.

If Everton were to get Laudrup, and he won us a trophy, maintained or improved upon the league positions and then decided to jump ship in 2 years to go to Real Madrid, would you think it had been a waste of time appointing him in the first place?

 

[TippEverton]

I don't either. It just underlines to me that Everton have not been pushing at doors forcefully for an external candidate. I feel sure if Martinez - who is still under contract after all - was given a firm indication he was the chosen replacement for Moyes he'd walk away from Wigan and break the contract (the pre-requisite for Everton as they don't want to pay compensation). They're just not serious about having a rigorous process, they have their cheap alternative(s) in place and wont be bothered about chasing experienced PL managers. The whole thing is and has been a complete charade from beginning to end.

I really hope your mistaken and it isn't an internal appointment, just watching ssn, and Moyes comments about Rio's new contract, I wish he would just go now, there is no point in him being associated with us anymore.

 

[helpimonfire]

Has Rafael signed yet?

 

[uknightbreed]

City talk were saying yesterday that everton didnt expect any developments in the next 2 weeks

why would the club do this ? becouse moyes contract doesnt run out till then ?
moyes isnt gonna be here to clear up the mess and try and get ready for next season , hes also already working on his utd career. this appointment needs making immediatly so the manager can get settled and make plans for the season.
every day that passes is a day behind imo.

 

[Jags..class]

Why? He won a trophy and they finished with a respectable league position which was likely their aim, with a squad with a budget about 60% of our own. So by all accounts he achieved more than the club expected of him. Let’s not forget it was Laudrup’s first season in the league. The way he changed the playing style for certain games, hints that he’s the kind of manager that studies the opposition and then works out how to set up his side. Against us at home he played an expansive game and Mirallas blitzed them. At Goodison he recognised the way Everton play and he shut up shop, knew we wouldn’t be able to break them down and he hit us on the break. They had the best chance of that game to be fair. You don’t have to have all of the ball to win a football match.

He beat Arsenal and Chelsea away from home, and they weren’t lucky wins either. Some of the best football of last season was played by Swansea. For Swansea their season finished when they won that trophy. Perhaps there are many younger people on these boards who have never really witnessed the club winning a trophy, but it’s a pretty big thing for everyone involved trust me. Once they’d won that, and were pretty much assured they couldn’t much higher or much lower in the league, they really just played out the remaining games without extending themselves too much. It was still a learning curve for him don’t forget and he’ll likely have still learned many lessons from those games. I think Laudrup showed more tactical intelligence last season than David Moyes has in 11 years at Everton.

Why do people always want longevity? Moyes was here 11 years and we didn’t win a thing. Just because Ferguson was at United for so long and won so many trophies doesn’t mean that strategy will work for everyone. Look at Chelsea, they chop and change their managers constantly and they’ve won every trophy there is to win in that time. Arsene Wenger has been at Arsenal for about 17 years and they haven’t won a thing for the last 7. Relationships don’t always get better with time. While some may get more used to certain things, others may start to get frustrated with the same voice/same message. Sometimes change is good. Managers and their chums in the media keep telling us that stability is the right way, because it ensures they stay in jobs.

If Everton were to get Laudrup, and he won us a trophy, maintained or improved upon the league positions and then decided to jump ship in 2 years to go to Real Madrid, would you think it had been a waste of time appointing him in the first place?

Some great points about Managements and longevity.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Why? He won a trophy and they finished with a respectable league position which was likely their aim, with a squad with a budget about 60% of our own. So by all accounts he achieved more than the club expected of him. Let’s not forget it was Laudrup’s first season in the league. The way he changed the playing style for certain games, hints that he’s the kind of manager that studies the opposition and then works out how to set up his side. Against us at home he played an expansive game and Mirallas blitzed them. At Goodison he recognised the way Everton play and he shut up shop, knew we wouldn’t be able to break them down and he hit us on the break. They had the best chance of that game to be fair. You don’t have to have all of the ball to win a football match.

He beat Arsenal and Chelsea away from home, and they weren’t lucky wins either. Some of the best football of last season was played by Swansea. For Swansea their season finished when they won that trophy. Perhaps there are many younger people on these boards who have never really witnessed the club winning a trophy, but it’s a pretty big thing for everyone involved trust me. Once they’d won that, and were pretty much assured they couldn’t much higher or much lower in the league, they really just played out the remaining games without extending themselves too much. It was still a learning curve for him don’t forget and he’ll likely have still learned many lessons from those games. I think Laudrup showed more tactical intelligence last season than David Moyes has in 11 years at Everton.

Why do people always want longevity? Moyes was here 11 years and we didn’t win a thing. Just because Ferguson was at United for so long and won so many trophies doesn’t mean that strategy will work for everyone. Look at Chelsea, they chop and change their managers constantly and they’ve won every trophy there is to win in that time. Arsene Wenger has been at Arsenal for about 17 years and they haven’t won a thing for the last 7. Relationships don’t always get better with time. While some may get more used to certain things, others may start to get frustrated with the same voice/same message. Sometimes change is good. Managers and their chums in the media keep telling us that stability is the right way, because it ensures they stay in jobs.

If Everton were to get Laudrup, and he won us a trophy, maintained or improved upon the league positions and then decided to jump ship in 2 years to go to Real Madrid, would you think it had been a waste of time appointing him in the first place?

That man over there:

 

[Furey1878]

Why? He won a trophy and they finished with a respectable league position which was likely their aim, with a squad with a budget about 60% of our own. So by all accounts he achieved more than the club expected of him. Let’s not forget it was Laudrup’s first season in the league. The way he changed the playing style for certain games, hints that he’s the kind of manager that studies the opposition and then works out how to set up his side. Against us at home he played an expansive game and Mirallas blitzed them. At Goodison he recognised the way Everton play and he shut up shop, knew we wouldn’t be able to break them down and he hit us on the break. They had the best chance of that game to be fair. You don’t have to have all of the ball to win a football match.

He beat Arsenal and Chelsea away from home, and they weren’t lucky wins either. Some of the best football of last season was played by Swansea. For Swansea their season finished when they won that trophy. Perhaps there are many younger people on these boards who have never really witnessed the club winning a trophy, but it’s a pretty big thing for everyone involved trust me. Once they’d won that, and were pretty much assured they couldn’t much higher or much lower in the league, they really just played out the remaining games without extending themselves too much. It was still a learning curve for him don’t forget and he’ll likely have still learned many lessons from those games. I think Laudrup showed more tactical intelligence last season than David Moyes has in 11 years at Everton.

Why do people always want longevity? Moyes was here 11 years and we didn’t win a thing. Just because Ferguson was at United for so long and won so many trophies doesn’t mean that strategy will work for everyone. Look at Chelsea, they chop and change their managers constantly and they’ve won every trophy there is to win in that time. Arsene Wenger has been at Arsenal for about 17 years and they haven’t won a thing for the last 7. Relationships don’t always get better with time. While some may get more used to certain things, others may start to get frustrated with the same voice/same message. Sometimes change is good. Managers and their chums in the media keep telling us that stability is the right way, because it ensures they stay in jobs.

If Everton were to get Laudrup, and he won us a trophy, maintained or improved upon the league positions and then decided to jump ship in 2 years to go to Real Madrid, would you think it had been a waste of time appointing him in the first place?

Because we can't really afford to become a club with a revolving door at the manager's office.

That said you made some good points in your post and I certainly wouldn't be opposed to us signing Laudrup. But realistically, the compensation aside he's got European football to look forward to next season so I don't think a higher wage and push for a top 5 finish will be enough to lure him to Goodison atm.

 

[Carlito]

Why? He won a trophy and they finished with a respectable league position which was likely their aim, with a squad with a budget about 60% of our own. So by all accounts he achieved more than the club expected of him. Let’s not forget it was Laudrup’s first season in the league. The way he changed the playing style for certain games, hints that he’s the kind of manager that studies the opposition and then works out how to set up his side. Against us at home he played an expansive game and Mirallas blitzed them. At Goodison he recognised the way Everton play and he shut up shop, knew we wouldn’t be able to break them down and he hit us on the break. They had the best chance of that game to be fair. You don’t have to have all of the ball to win a football match.

He beat Arsenal and Chelsea away from home, and they weren’t lucky wins either. Some of the best football of last season was played by Swansea. For Swansea their season finished when they won that trophy. Perhaps there are many younger people on these boards who have never really witnessed the club winning a trophy, but it’s a pretty big thing for everyone involved trust me. Once they’d won that, and were pretty much assured they couldn’t much higher or much lower in the league, they really just played out the remaining games without extending themselves too much. It was still a learning curve for him don’t forget and he’ll likely have still learned many lessons from those games. I think Laudrup showed more tactical intelligence last season than David Moyes has in 11 years at Everton.

Why do people always want longevity? Moyes was here 11 years and we didn’t win a thing. Just because Ferguson was at United for so long and won so many trophies doesn’t mean that strategy will work for everyone. Look at Chelsea, they chop and change their managers constantly and they’ve won every trophy there is to win in that time. Arsene Wenger has been at Arsenal for about 17 years and they haven’t won a thing for the last 7. Relationships don’t always get better with time. While some may get more used to certain things, others may start to get frustrated with the same voice/same message. Sometimes change is good. Managers and their chums in the media keep telling us that stability is the right way, because it ensures they stay in jobs.

If Everton were to get Laudrup, and he won us a trophy, maintained or improved upon the league positions and then decided to jump ship in 2 years to go to Real Madrid, would you think it had been a waste of time appointing him in the first place?

Excellent post.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

PS Stubbs and Weir out to 20-1 with Betvictor, phew. Hopefully they know something we don't.