Moyes Potential Replacement

[blueblue]

There is a constant bickering here about Pereira and Lennon about what they have won,which league is tougher and who is the better manager.

It doesn't matter which one you appoint Everton are not going to win the league without a cash injection of probably 100m into the team.
The question therefore is which manager is better placed to keep the club progressing forward.It has taken David Moyes ten years to bring the club to a stage where it is a genuine top four contender.
The job of the next manager is to consolidate that position and through skilful buying and development of players and a successful youth academy to keep us as a top four club and maybe some day in the future be title contenders and maybe winners of a cup
or two.

 

[Bullet_Rain]

It's all speculation, really. We would love Roberto if he finished 17th this year, but finishing 18th makes him crap?

Err...no

Finishing somewhere in the bottom makes him 'crap' (your words)

 

[Allezfan]

has taken David Moyes ten years to bring the club to a stage where it is a genuine top four contender.

Not really, he finished 4th in his third full season.

 

[maddison]

Because someone doesn't share the same view as you doesn't make them a kopite lads, that's RAWK **** right there.

Very true ....... but it's highly suspicious

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I'm sorry but are you saying that what ferguson did (being one of only two managers to ever win the scottish top flight three times with a non old firm team and one of only two non old firm managers to win it at all since 1966 but also the only ever manager to win a european trophy with a non old firm scottish team (beating bayern and real to do so)) is exactly the same achievement as what lennon did (winning the scottish double after the only competition was kicked out of the league)?

No, what I'm saying is that the Abderdeen side that Ferguson managed was a good team. The opposition they played was good in both league and Europe.

The Celtic side that Lennon has managed isn't. It's average at best. The teams they play in the league are not as good as they were in the 80's but they still aren't miles below the Celtic side Lennon has. despite this, Celtic won the league in comfortable fashion and walloped Hibs in the cup final. They also beat a Barca side who were miles above them, and held them at the Camp Nou for nearly 90 mins. I've watched the 83 CWC Final, Aberdeen were a better side than Real at that point or at least on par with them

Lennon has done well considering the Celtic side he manages isn't a strong one

Everton is a much stronger side with a better collection of players. It begs to reason that if Lennon can win a league and cup double with Celtic, he can do well in the Premier League with Everton

He compares much more favourably to someone like Martinez who, depsite winning the cup, got his side relegated. You can argue that the Premier League is a harder league than the SPL but everything is relative.

 

[flo]

Err...no

Finishing somewhere in the bottom makes him 'crap' (your words)

I bet if he survived with Wigan this season we'd all be excited. A cup winning manager who plays attractive football and still manages to avoid relegation. And how Wigan would have done under Moyes or someone else, we can just speculate.

 

[Furey1878]

I bet if he survived with Wigan this season we'd all be excited. A cup winning manager who plays attractive football and still manages to avoid relegation. And how Wigan would have done under Moyes or someone else, we can just speculate.

Pretty much mate, I'd have probably payed for Martinez's cab fare personally had he kept Wigan up after winning the cup.

 

[Fazakerley Fan]

So... Pereira winning the league should be dismissed, but Martinez winning the FA Cup should be a key reason in us getting him?

If we're going to be pedantic, I could easily argue Wigan had a pretty easy ride to their cup - the 2 stiff tests they had on paper, their opponents produced one of their worst performances in years.

How can a title winning manager not be at the level required, but a manager who has seen their team get relegated apparently is? I'm well aware of the differences in quality between Wigan and Porto btw; VP did a very good job at Porto, while Martinez has done an average job at Wigan all things considered. Let's not forget he hasn't managed to get this Wigan side anywhere away from the relegation zone. Not even a season of finishing mid-table.

You seem to defend Martinez's record with a somewhat bizarre "if a better manager managed them with all those injuries they'd have still got relegated" which is, to be kind, speculative, while for some reason you disregard VP's proven achievements.

You're quite right, having a different opinion is perfectly fine. But the way you've tried to back up your opinion makes very little sense and appears extremely selective.

I'm sure Periera isn't a bad manager but I don't think he's done that much to warrant being compared to Mourinho. Ok, he won the league but that league is nowhere near as hard or competitive as the Prem. And Porto are the biggest team in the League with the best players, some might argue Benfica are on a par. The main difference is Mourinho won the CL with Porto, and AVB, the Europa League. Periera, on the other hand got dumped out the CL by Malaga.

I know Martinez hasn't done alot but winning the cup with Wigan is a big acheivement. I think he would be a good manager if he was given a chance at a big club with better players.

 

[Phenom]

Very true ....... but it's highly suspicious

No it's not mate, or are all those that do want him suspicious?

 

[royalblue66]

Just seen a picture of Giz a job Hughes posing with the Stoke shirt
Gave me quite a scare,when you think it could have been an Everton shirt he was holding
so accept my sincere thanks Bill.you Deffo got that one right.

 

[Tilling]

Up until about five days, I'd have been disgusted if we appointed Roberto Martinez. To be honest though, I've kinda come to terms with the fact that it's probably going to be him; we were living in a fantasy world if we thought that Vitor was ever going to come to us with Blue Bill at the helm of our club. Looking at Martinez's tactics, I don't think it would be too much for us to adapt towards and it will be nice to see some more attractive football. Realistically now, I think we can expect maybe a top 10 finish from now on.

 

[Allezfan]

No, what I'm saying is that the Abderdeen side that Ferguson managed was a good team. The opposition they played was good in both league and Europe.

The Celtic side that Lennon has managed isn't. It's average at best. The teams they play in the league are not as good as they were in the 80's but they still aren't miles below the Celtic side Lennon has. despite this, Celtic won the league in comfortable fashion and walloped Hibs in the cup final. They also beat a Barca side who were miles above them, and held them at the Camp Nou for nearly 90 mins. I've watched the 83 CWC Final, Aberdeen were a better side than Real at that point or at least on par with them

Lennon has done well considering the Celtic side he manages isn't a strong one

Everton is a much stronger side with a better collection of players. It begs to reason that if Lennon can win a league and cup double with Celtic, he can do well in the Premier League with Everton

He compares much more favourably to someone like Martinez who, depsite winning the cup, got his side relegated. You can argue that the Premier League is a harder league than the SPL but everything is relative.

My main argument vs Lennon is I think that the skill required to win trophies with the richest team in the league is very different to the skill required to win stuff when other teams in the league outspend you 5 to 1.

Martinez has proven he can do the latter, I would be wary of appointing any manager who hasn't successfully overcome richer clubs to win trophies. And that applies to vitor as much as lennon.

Walter Smith did very well when he was the top dog but not when he was an underdog and I have the same worry with Lennon.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I actually think winning anything is good for a prospective manager

Shows they have a winning mentality

Martinez, Lennon, Makay and Vitor have all won something this year

Celtic and Cardiff won their titles long before the season ended. Martinez won a cup but his league form was horrid. Vitor won the Portugese league but it went down to the wire.

They've all done well in a clutch position at some point this season. For that reason alone, all 4 are good candiates. What will seperate them now is opinions on playing style and personality. I think Everton would be a step up for all 4 of them from their previous job

 

[Bullet_Rain]

I'm sure Periera isn't a bad manager but I don't think he's done that much to warrant being compared to Mourinho. Ok, he won the league but that league is nowhere near as hard or competitive as the Prem. And Porto are the biggest team in the League with the best players, some might argue Benfica are on a par. The main difference is Mourinho won the CL with Porto, and AVB, the Europa League. Periera, on the other hand got dumped out the CL by Malaga.

I know Martinez hasn't done alot but winning the cup with Wigan is a big acheivement. I think he would be a good manager if he was given a chance at a big club with better players.

Portugal is the 5th best league in the world, according to the UEFA coefficent: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2013.html, while England will be the 3d in just 2 years time, given the rise of Germany.

And being dumped out by Malaga isn't a disgrace either. Not a bad team, as we all saw this year.

 

[Holden]

SSN just has breaking news about Walter Smith.... appointed non-exec chairman of Rangers....phew!