Moyes Potential Replacement

[PeterMeter]

I bet if he survived with Wigan this season we'd all be excited. A cup winning manager who plays attractive football and still manages to avoid relegation. And how Wigan would have done under Moyes or someone else, we can just speculate.

Don't think the worrying this is about him being relegated. It's about him never managing to steer his team even to a relatively safe position. Not once. Newcastle finished 5th w Pardew ffs.
And to the people impressed with his possession stats, Brenda is another keen admirer of possession football. Every team can't be a Barca, you play to the team's strengths if you don't have copious amounts of money. In the same way Moyes nicked goals in his famous 4th-finish season with a solid defense.

With Wigan performing as they have for the last few years, you could argue that only a fool would continue to batter his head against the wall when the players were clearly not capable of producing required results under that tactic.

 

[Allezfan]

I actually think winning anything is good for a prospective manager

Shows they have a winning mentality

Martinez, Lennon, Makay and Vitor have all won something this year

Celtic and Cardiff won their titles long before the season ended. Martinez won a cup but his league form was horrid. Vitor won the Portugese league but it went down to the wire.

They've all done well in a clutch position at some point this season. For that reason alone, all 4 are good candiates. What will seperate them now is opinions on playing style and personality. I think Everton would be a step up for all 4 of them from their previous job

Not all trophies are equal, though.

The standard of competion in the Fa cup and the portugese league is so much higher (in terms of managers if nothing else, mancini, benitez, ferguson and wenger aren't managing in the championship or scotland).

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

My main argument vs Lennon is I think that the skill required to win trophies with the richest team in the league is very different to the skill required to win stuff when other teams in the league outspend you 5 to 1.

Martinez has proven he can do the latter, I would be wary of appointing any manager who hasn't successfully overcome richer clubs to win trophies. And that applies to vitor as much as lennon.

Walter Smith did very well when he was the top dog but not when he was an underdog and I have the same worry with Lennon.

What I would counter that with his that Lennon's Celtic were the underdog in the SPL until this season. Before then, Rangers outspent them but they still managed to stay in the fight

They were underdogs all through the CL campaign this year but managed to make it out of the group

I also think the younger members of the squad would get more of a chance under Lennon.

Martinez did win the cup, but he failed in the league. Winning a one off game (or 5-6 single elimination games) is not as impressive as being victorious over the course of a whole season (Which is what Makay, Lennon and Vitor have proven they can do, regardless of standard of competition)

 

[royalblue66]

SSN just has breaking news about Walter Smith.... appointed non-exec chairman of Rangers....phew!

You frightened me for a sec then mate,I still get night mares about him.

 

[Pat's Van]

oh can we just have a manager now please

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

It's all speculation, really. We would love Roberto if he finished 17th this year, but finishing 18th makes him crap?

Disagree, but if true it works both ways - if he'd lost to City half the people who want him, wouldn't.

 

[Allezfan]

Disagree, but if true it works both ways - if he'd lost to City half the people who want him, wouldn't.

I wouldn't.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I wouldn't.

Does that mean you still would have wanted him or that you wouldn't have wanted him?

 

[maddison]

No it's not mate, or are all those that do want him suspicious?

C'mon now, recognise some tongue in cheek humour when you see it

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Loved this debate by the way AF

It's how it should be

I always enjoy a thorough argument with you on an overcast Thursday afternoon

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I wouldn't.

My point is that IF there is actually that much difference in people's feeling, there should be just as much difference between winning the cup and not winning it.

Especially since the cup final is 1/6th of the accomplishment of winning the cup, whereas the two wins he would have needed to stay up represent only 1/19th of the league season.

fwiw, I don't agree - I wouldn't be sold on Martinez if he HAD stayed up in 17th place. Just making te point that flu can't say the fine margin of relegation makes such a MASSIVE difference to people's opinion (thereby trying to invalidate that opinion) without acknowledging that te cup final win has just as much, if not more effect, in the opposite direction.

EDIT- haha, misinterpreted your comment. Still, have me the chance to explain myself more clearly.

 

[Allezfan]

Does that mean you still would have wanted him or that you wouldn't have wanted him?

I wouldn't have wanted him.

His league record isn't all that good. His cup record prior to this season isn't all that good.

His style, of football and behaviour, is one I like but the only reason I'm supporting is that he managed to produce a top class performance in a cup final vs a much bigger team.

It's that ability to calm the players down on the big ocassion and get them to perform at 150% that I like and if he didn't show that in the final, then the overall package isn't strong enough.

But he did, so it is.

 

[Phenom]

C'mon now, recognise some tongue in cheek humour when you see it

I actually thought that after I wrote it.

My apologies, bit fed up of the back and forth with Martinez/Perreira now, it's been discussed to the death and nobody is changing their mind, it's to the point where you have to accept someone's opinion is different to yours.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

So you really think performance in ONE game is enough of a reason to take him on as manager?!

 

[Christiffa25]

oh can we just have a manager now please

Yeah it's bloody dragging on now...

Sure bill is doin on purpose now to keep us on SSN. Or to make it look like Martinez wasn't always the no.1 choice.