Moyes sacked by United

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[orchard]

I honestly thought money was the reason he couldnt break the glass ceiling and I defended certain "things" that happened, the 3-0 at Anfield, the SF at Wembley, I part blamed the players, I considering THEM to be the bottlers, I thought it was partly them not having the required "bottle" to get over the line, then Bobby came in and then it was clear that wasnt the case.

Meanwhile over at OT Moyes took over a quite awful squad of players, granted a group of players that had just pissed the title, but players that knew how to win and he managed to turn them into a mid table club overnight, the 2 transfer windows showed me what a moron he is, an unlimited fund and he managed to buy 2 players for a postion they didnt really need and spent 78m doing it.

LOL

Hes not good enough to manage at the highest level, its taken me a long time to realise this, but my eyes are now open.

Hahaha, bet that was kathartic, time to move on !

 

[Goat]

Hahaha, bet that was kathartic, time to move on !

Bobbys here now, its all about him.

 

[bizzaro]

The media banging on about United' 'rightful place'.

The 'rightful place' is where you finish at the end of the season.

This sense of entitlement has all but destroyed football.

We hear from the FA about how Utd's form does no good to the 'brand' that is the EPL. Consequently the other top 'brand' gets boosted into the slot to make up for it.

If it wasn't for Everton I would ditch football altogether.

I got more fun out of watching Costigan squaring up to Elima in last night's rugby.

Manchester united have no more right to win anything than anyone else.

The fact that phil Neville has been retained supports a view that moyes was the victim of a putsch, orchestrated in large part by the class of 92 with a few lunatics like rio on hand to assist them.

Neville is a grass ?

 

[Howards tipple]

Quality.

 

[toffee matt]

Neville is a grass ?

Would it surprise you , he seems the type

 

[Tramps_mate]

Listening to the radio this morning I heard/semi created my own theory..

No 'top' world manager would take/want the job after the greatest manager of all time would they??

What do you do? Get Moyes in.

If he's successful, then great! If not then it is easier to get a 'top' manager in a year later as the only person they have to better first is Moyes..

 

[Huyton Layne]

You'd have thought taking over the champions might get Davey boy his first trophy but it wasn't to be.
Liverpool fans must be gutted. One season wasn't enough to destroy United and a top class manager could turn them around sharpish

 

[RaleighBlue]

You'd have thought taking over the champions might get Davey boy his first trophy but it wasn't to be.
Liverpool fans must be gutted. One season wasn't enough to destroy United and a top class manager could turn them around sharpish

Hopefully not.

Their squad is a bit weak. Lot of attacking talent - poor midfield. A year without Europe could help them. But they could also go all Spurs - too many new players - take too long to bed in. Plus they have lost that aura that scared the [Poor language removed] out of teams granting them spare points.

I could see them taking a bit to get back on top barring absolutely massive investment.

 

[The Esk]

I asked Neville our resident United supporter in another thread, thought it worth asking here for views:

How about this for a theory:

The Glazers have never wanted to spend big (relative to the resources available to them) much preferring to minimise investment in the team whilst maximising the revenue they could take out of the club and continue to do so.

In SAF they had the perfect manager, loyal to the club, loyal to them, and able to extract the maximum out of the resources he had, resulting in far more silverware than perhaps the team on paper looked capable of winning.

As his retirement neared the Glazers look around and say we have two options - invest in a Mourinho type manager and have a large investment programme in the team to follow, or look around and see if anyone else looks capable of continuing the SAF modus operandi of extracting maximum results out of a limited squad.

SAF says that the only manager he is aware of who is capable of such a strategy is Moyes, afterall look at his "success" at Everton on a very limited budget.

Hence Moyes is brought in do what he did at Everton, only this time the playing squad are unable or unwilling to respond in the manner Moyes' former players at Everton did.

Result - disastrous season, player un-rest amongst the established names and the Glazers have nowhere to turn to other than to fire Moyes. Their "go cheap" strategy (on a relative basis) back fires spectacularly.

This is why I have some sympathy for Moyes, although a man of his experience should have realised what the game was. Maybe he never considered the above, he might have been blown away with the idea of managing United and building a dynasty like Ferguson had before him, his behaviour suggests this is the case. Only problem was that the owners promises were empty, and once they realised he could not deliver they needed to get rid - afterall they need success to continue paying themselves 20 million a year to own a club they don't invest in....

 

[Del]

Best thing for him would be to go abroad, Germany or Holland like Mclaren

 

[RaleighBlue]

Best thing for him would be to go abroad, Germany or Holland like Mclaren

Think his best option would be a season off followed by joining Villa or Celtic.

Don't think he'd go over in a country that expects proper tactics.

 

[steken1]

I asked Neville our resident United supporter in another thread, thought it worth asking here for views:

How about this for a theory:

The Glazers have never wanted to spend big (relative to the resources available to them) much preferring to minimise investment in the team whilst maximising the revenue they could take out of the club and continue to do so.

In SAF they had the perfect manager, loyal to the club, loyal to them, and able to extract the maximum out of the resources he had, resulting in far more silverware than perhaps the team on paper looked capable of winning.

As his retirement neared the Glazers look around and say we have two options - invest in a Mourinho type manager and have a large investment programme in the team to follow, or look around and see if anyone else looks capable of continuing the SAF modus operandi of extracting maximum results out of a limited squad.

SAF says that the only manager he is aware of who is capable of such a strategy is Moyes, afterall look at his "success" at Everton on a very limited budget.

Hence Moyes is brought in do what he did at Everton, only this time the playing squad are unable or unwilling to respond in the manner Moyes' former players at Everton did.

Result - disastrous season, player un-rest amongst the established names and the Glazers have nowhere to turn to other than to fire Moyes. Their "go cheap" strategy (on a relative basis) back fires spectacularly.

This is why I have some sympathy for Moyes, although a man of his experience should have realised what the game was. Maybe he never considered the above, he might have been blown away with the idea of managing United and building a dynasty like Ferguson had before him, his behaviour suggests this is the case. Only problem was that the owners promises were empty, and once they realised he could not deliver they needed to get rid - afterall they need success to continue paying themselves 20 million a year to own a club they don't invest in....

My feeling was the only way Moyes was a logical choice was if they where looking to utilise his skill at unearthing gems for relative pittances. They never seemed to go that way at all though. I can imagine that would have been made clear from the outset too.

He could have added a couple of Mirallas style buys (good player from obscure league rather than position) to that squad and improved it no end. A good winger, which Zaha may be, and a good CM alongside Carrick makes all the difference to their season IMO.

His ego meant he was taking the job regardless and whatever the circumstance he didn't have the tools. Didn't for Everton either in his last two seasons.

 

[RaleighBlue]

I asked Neville our resident United supporter in another thread, thought it worth asking here for views:

How about this for a theory:

The Glazers have never wanted to spend big (relative to the resources available to them) much preferring to minimise investment in the team whilst maximising the revenue they could take out of the club and continue to do so.

In SAF they had the perfect manager, loyal to the club, loyal to them, and able to extract the maximum out of the resources he had, resulting in far more silverware than perhaps the team on paper looked capable of winning.

As his retirement neared the Glazers look around and say we have two options - invest in a Mourinho type manager and have a large investment programme in the team to follow, or look around and see if anyone else looks capable of continuing the SAF modus operandi of extracting maximum results out of a limited squad.

SAF says that the only manager he is aware of who is capable of such a strategy is Moyes, afterall look at his "success" at Everton on a very limited budget.

Hence Moyes is brought in do what he did at Everton, only this time the playing squad are unable or unwilling to respond in the manner Moyes' former players at Everton did.

Result - disastrous season, player un-rest amongst the established names and the Glazers have nowhere to turn to other than to fire Moyes. Their "go cheap" strategy (on a relative basis) back fires spectacularly.

This is why I have some sympathy for Moyes, although a man of his experience should have realised what the game was. Maybe he never considered the above, he might have been blown away with the idea of managing United and building a dynasty like Ferguson had before him, his behaviour suggests this is the case. Only problem was that the owners promises were empty, and once they realised he could not deliver they needed to get rid - afterall they need success to continue paying themselves 20 million a year to own a club they don't invest in....

I don't think it's so cynical honestly.

I think United bought into the 'United Way'. They wanted to have Sir Alex Ferguson part 2. Moyes was Scottish, premier league proven, and best of all stamped with the SAF seal of approval. They figured they would wobble down to 3rd or 4th this year, and Moyes would be able to eventually bring in talent for reasonable fees, he wouldn't demand they break the club transfer record or anything and the great United mystique would continue.

Problem is that he wasn't up for it, and things went bad in the wrong ways. 'Small' clubs started beating them at home. The 2-0 to Olympiakos happened. He broke the transfer record for Mata. The players revolted. They fell further than expected.

The 'United Way' turned out to require a unique leader at the top - Sir Alex, just like Sir Matt before him. They need to make the decision now whether the 'United Way' dies here and they become another rich club demanding immediate results, or if they are going to float about in the top half, but rarely winning until they can find their next great long term United Man.

 

[Del]

I don't think it's so cynical honestly.

I think United bought into the 'United Way'. They wanted to have Sir Alex Ferguson part 2. Moyes was Scottish, premier league proven, and best of all stamped with the SAF seal of approval. They figured they would wobble down to 3rd or 4th this year, and Moyes would be able to eventually bring in talent for reasonable fees, he wouldn't demand they break the club transfer record or anything and the great United mystique would continue.

Problem is that he wasn't up for it, and things went bad in the wrong ways. 'Small' clubs started beating them at home. The 2-0 to Olympiakos happened. He broke the transfer record for Mata. The players revolted. They fell further than expected.

The 'United Way' turned out to require a unique leader at the top - Sir Alex, just like Sir Matt before him. They need to make the decision now whether the 'United Way' dies here and they become another rich club demanding immediate results, or if they are going to float about in the top half, but rarely winning until they can find their next great long term United Man.

Thats all well and good but he spent 70m on two players