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Moyes sacked by United

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Gwladys St. Glory said:
Saw this months ago trolling for wallpaper stuff...they say a picture's worth a thousand words.

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One's yelling, one's coaching...sums it all up for me.



Ciao, David.
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Bobby has just won Rock Paper Scissors there.
 
Milk said:
Utd have acted disgracefully throughout this whole affair ........ and the worse thing is that no one is really ripping in to SAF for appointing his "mini me".
I'm willing to bet that Utd will turn in to a managerial merry-go-round like Chelski now. No more 6 year contracts on offer that's for sure
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Not like Moyes was kidnapped for the job and the Glazers weren't as dopey as reported. Most commentators agree the pay off indicates a one year rolling contract not the trumpeted 6 year deal.
Chels win stuff every year and are on the threshold of a CL final it matters not a jot how long managers are there it's about players. Martinez has been here 5 mins resolved the striker problem and we're flying.

The one thing Moyes has destroyed with his 11 years here is the homily managers need time - he got 4th after 3 years and that was it.

Re SAF, he regularly made cack decisions but utd being the financial muscle of the game could get away with it. Although I must admit he must have been off his skull getting Moyes in.
 

dholliday said:
I don't buy all this "oh, but he acted with so much dignity" bollocks. He acted like a frightened mouse, afraid of what people would think of him. He wasn't always like this, his first 6 or 7 years at Goodison were dynamic and positive. It went wrong for him somewhere, something in his attitude shifted for the worse a good 3 years before joining Man U.

I hope he genuinely learns from this. Learns that this was all his own making. Sacking all those coaching staff at the beginning and replacing them with naff was the first nail in his coffin, if he doesn't recognise things like this he'll never reach the heights of Everton or Man U again.
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Agree mate - when you boil it down he basically bottled it. Didn't seem true to himself in a lot of ways - there's no way he is as bad a manager as he's shown this season, but the stuff he came out with just seemed bizarre. Crushed by the pressure. Like with the media, he was always very steady and controlled with us - he wasn't Jose Mourinho or anything but he was in charge of what he said and how he said it. I guess when the whole world is crawling up your ringpiece after a game it puts a different complexion on things.

Think the moving on of the Utd coaching staff was fine and normal, tbh - any serious manager wants to work with his own people, he gave a nod to the traditions of the club by appointing a senior pro as coach. Unfortunately for Moyes, Giggs is a self-serving reptile who did not have his best interests at heart.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
Agree mate - when you boil it down he basically bottled it. Didn't seem true to himself in a lot of ways - there's no way he is as bad a manager as he's shown this season, but the stuff he came out with just seemed bizarre. Crushed by the pressure. Like with the media, he was always very steady and controlled with us - he wasn't Jose Mourinho or anything but he was in charge of what he said and how he said it. I guess when the whole world is crawling up your ringpiece after a game it puts a different complexion on things.

Think the moving on of the Utd coaching staff was fine and normal, tbh - any serious manager wants to work with his own people, he gave a nod to the traditions of the club by appointing a senior pro as coach. Unfortunately for Moyes, Giggs is a self-serving reptile who did not have his best interests at heart.
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Not to the extent he did it. Look at Martinez here - he moved his own people in but he didn't make drastic changes and he's looked to embed Everton stalwarts like Ferguson and Royle into the picture so the ethos of the club doesn't alter dramatically and alienate the old hands there off the bat.

It was his most serious mistake for sure in my view.
 

Tubey said:
Not to the extent he did it. Look at Martinez here - he moved his own people in but he didn't make drastic changes and he's looked to embed Everton stalwarts like Ferguson and Royle into the picture so the ethos of the club doesn't alter dramatically and alienate the old hands there off the bat.

It was his most serious mistake for sure in my view.
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Agree if he hadn't have done it he'd probably still have a job now, so I guess he fell by decisions like that. As a practical matter, though, not sure he even could have retained the staff. Phelan ran their first team top to bottom, if reports are to be believed, so can't see how a new gaffer with a mandate for change could have worked with him.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
Agree if he hadn't have done it he'd probably still have a job now, so I guess he fell by decisions like that. As a practical matter, though, not sure he even could have retained the staff. Phelan ran their first team top to bottom, if reports are to be believed, so can't see how a new gaffer with a mandate for change could have worked with him.
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Is that what he had though? Thought the whole point of cherry picking him ahead of Mourinho was for continuity after Ferguson.

That was a title winning backroom staff. He should have brought in Round as a number two and pretty much that's it, then assessed in the role after a year what he needed to change. Fans would have forgiven him a transition year where he finished in the top four, even if not challenging for the title, but to gut a title winning setup and replace every key role with people who had zero experience of challenging at that level was, at best, naive and, at worst, massively egotistical.
 
This paints quite a picture when you add it to Sheedy's recent comments, and the general lack of progress a lot of our academy players made under Moyes


The youth policy was Fergie’s safety net.

Unfortunately it is understood that Moyes effectively tampered with his own job security by attempting to produce a more athletic next generation with less emphasis on ball skills.

A number of the staff working with the younger players were uneasy about the change and a good few entrenched in Fergie’s ways of developing the academy players wondered if they would get the call to Moyes’ office to discover their P45s on the table.
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/david-moyes-tried-change-manchester-7025321
 
Tubey said:
Not to the extent he did it. Look at Martinez here - he moved his own people in but he didn't make drastic changes and he's looked to embed Everton stalwarts like Ferguson and Royle into the picture so the ethos of the club doesn't alter dramatically and alienate the old hands there off the bat.

It was his most serious mistake for sure in my view.
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But he only took 3 staff with him. That's not exactly wholesale changes, he also took a former player and member of the famed "class of 92" back and promoted the clubs biggest modern icon to an elevated position on the coaching staff. He actually initially did more than Martinez did to form a bond between his new coaching staff and the clubs history.

His problem was never having the senior players on side like Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, RVP all destabilising characters from the start. Unlike Bobby who walked in and charmed the likes of Jags, Baines, Distin and Howard and convinced them that although they'd been all Moyes men and had relative success under him it was time for a change.
 

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