canuckblue
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Some still do, I fear....
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Moyes to Sunderland
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Some still do, I fear....
I feel a BIT sorry for him, it's hard not too when you consider how far he's fallen in just a few years (even he didn't truly deserve the high pedestal he was briefly put on). It speaks volumes about the man though when his final act as Sunderland manager was to go away to a top 4 club, completely roll over for them and even willingly take part in their ludicrous on-field tribute to a retiring player.
Overall he has suffered a fair amount of awful luck and a lot of things out of his control at board level went against him but since leaving us he's made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. He didn't at any point this season look up for the fight to try and save Sunderland and when that's case do the decent thing and resign so the job can go to someone who does have the passion. Moyes stayed there as long as he did purely to pick up his wage and that's not at all respectable.
His days as a Premier League manager are surely finished, perhaps a job up in Scotland awaits?
Overall he has suffered a fair amount of awful luck and a lot of things out of his control at board level went against him but since leaving us he's made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. He didn't at any point this season look up for the fight to try and save Sunderland and when that's case do the decent thing and resign so the job can go to someone who does have the passion. Moyes stayed there as long as he did purely to pick up his wage and that's not at all respectable.
His days as a Premier League manager are surely finished, perhaps a job up in Scotland awaits?
After conning us out of several million quids worth of compensation from United (Ferguson's wife told SAF to retire as his sister-in-law was very ill etc) - Fergie gave him the nod.. £20M later (compo for Wigan - £10M and a further £10M to get rid of him) = he can do one.. Moyes to Oblivion.
You can see were hes coming from if the report is true..
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/david-moyes-resigns-sunderland-manager-160643687.html
Moyes’ relationship with his players had almost completely disintegrated by the time the Scot resigned on Monday and he would only have agreed to stay on after relegation if he had been allowed to completely overhaul the squad.
In turn, several were disillusioned with him. Sources have indicated the disgruntlement began when Moyes cancelled the players’ Christmas party after a poor start to the season and escalated during the January transfer window when he made it clear he wanted to replace many of them.
Sunderland had made a habit of changing the man in the dugout to spark a late escape from relegation and few inside the dressing room could understand why Moyes had been told his job was safe when results were so bad. The Black Cats have not been out of the bottom three since August.
The Scot had misgivings about the quality of the players he inherited from Sam Allardyce in July, but had initially been willing to make the best out of a bad situation.
However, as the season unfolded, he privately accused several of failing to try hard enough, either in matches or in training and frequently lost his temper.
In turn, his relationship with staff was also damaged, with resentment towards him festering behind the scenes. Most recently, there is believed to have been tension between himself and medical staff over the availability of players.
Since relegation to the Championship was confirmed three weeks ago, Moyes has suggested publicly that some players were not as badly injured as they claimed, although he stopped short of accusing them feigning injury to get out of playing for the club.
Subsequently, there were accusations made on social media that centre back Lamine Kone and another player, had refused to play against Chelsea on the final day of the season, although this has been strenuously denied by the defender’s representatives.
It is thought Moyes had suggested the Black Cats would need to spend around £40m in order to construct a team good enough to secure promotion and headed into his meeting with Short in London on Monday still hoping to be given the green light to carry on.
He was instead told there would be little money to spend, even if he managed to sell goalkeeper Jordan Pickford for £30m. Short had initially asked for time to think about the proposal, but the American does not feel he can sanction that sort of spending when the club are already heavily in debt.
That could well make the task of replacing Moyes a difficult one. The early favourite is thought to be the former Middlesbrough manager Aitor Karanka, whose family are settled in Durham and he is desperate to remain in English football.
He is likely to face competition from former Leicester City boss Nigel Pearson, while it could even be an attractive first job away from Manchester United for Ryan Giggs. The former Wales international has been waiting patiently for the right job to come up and will be aware Roy Keane launched his coaching career at Sunderland, when they were in the Championship, 11 years ago.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/david-moyes-resigns-sunderland-manager-160643687.html
Moyes’ relationship with his players had almost completely disintegrated by the time the Scot resigned on Monday and he would only have agreed to stay on after relegation if he had been allowed to completely overhaul the squad.
In turn, several were disillusioned with him. Sources have indicated the disgruntlement began when Moyes cancelled the players’ Christmas party after a poor start to the season and escalated during the January transfer window when he made it clear he wanted to replace many of them.
Sunderland had made a habit of changing the man in the dugout to spark a late escape from relegation and few inside the dressing room could understand why Moyes had been told his job was safe when results were so bad. The Black Cats have not been out of the bottom three since August.
The Scot had misgivings about the quality of the players he inherited from Sam Allardyce in July, but had initially been willing to make the best out of a bad situation.
However, as the season unfolded, he privately accused several of failing to try hard enough, either in matches or in training and frequently lost his temper.
In turn, his relationship with staff was also damaged, with resentment towards him festering behind the scenes. Most recently, there is believed to have been tension between himself and medical staff over the availability of players.
Since relegation to the Championship was confirmed three weeks ago, Moyes has suggested publicly that some players were not as badly injured as they claimed, although he stopped short of accusing them feigning injury to get out of playing for the club.
Subsequently, there were accusations made on social media that centre back Lamine Kone and another player, had refused to play against Chelsea on the final day of the season, although this has been strenuously denied by the defender’s representatives.
It is thought Moyes had suggested the Black Cats would need to spend around £40m in order to construct a team good enough to secure promotion and headed into his meeting with Short in London on Monday still hoping to be given the green light to carry on.
He was instead told there would be little money to spend, even if he managed to sell goalkeeper Jordan Pickford for £30m. Short had initially asked for time to think about the proposal, but the American does not feel he can sanction that sort of spending when the club are already heavily in debt.
That could well make the task of replacing Moyes a difficult one. The early favourite is thought to be the former Middlesbrough manager Aitor Karanka, whose family are settled in Durham and he is desperate to remain in English football.
He is likely to face competition from former Leicester City boss Nigel Pearson, while it could even be an attractive first job away from Manchester United for Ryan Giggs. The former Wales international has been waiting patiently for the right job to come up and will be aware Roy Keane launched his coaching career at Sunderland, when they were in the Championship, 11 years ago.
a bell maul
Player Valuation: £30m
a bell maul
Player Valuation: £30m
It's true, Martinez was a shambles of a manager...but he has his own dedicated thread now....
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
The only person who actually said Martinez is you mate. I was saying Moyes did the right thing and walked away without the compo he could of spounged off Sunderland if he wanted to. Shows he's still got some morals even if other managers don't and i cited one without me mentioning his name. You've bought him up again when the matter was finished mate.
a bell maul
Player Valuation: £30m
ok mate x
in a League awash with money...and there will be parachute payments, Sunderland have 'little money'?
their accounts must make for interesting reading
Who does the audit - Hans Cristian Anderson?
their accounts must make for interesting reading
Who does the audit - Hans Cristian Anderson?
roydo
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I wondered that a while ago, and the answer is quite simple. They are £140m in debt, have made a profit on 2 players in about 5 years, and have been in the top 10, wages wise, since then.
Thats before you factor in the payoffs to managers. Been run terribly by an owner that is now, not remotely arsed, and wants to sell up.
artetas_biggest_fan
Player Valuation: £6m
Managing Manchester United (albeit by default) has given him a false sense of his own ability. Still seems surreal that actually happened...Manchester United manager David Moyes. Because he was a Scot and was chosen by Fergie there wasn't the uproar there really should have been when he was appointed. He's a dour grafter whose teams played horrible football and routinely got gubbed away against quality opposition. The maulings against Arsenal at home highlighted what a dinosaur he is.
When you consider Fat Sam is a better manager than him: Manchester United manager Sam Allardyce. Seems ludicrous reading that, and yet it happened with a lesser manager.
It looks bleak for Sunderland, of course their fans are excited at getting a new manager. The manner of Moyes departure is ominous though. A couple of weeks ago Moyes was talking about rebuilding next year, they had apparently drafted a list of transfer targets to help them do that. He then meets with the owner and all of a sudden he is walking away without a pay off??
He has clearly been told there is no money to spend, even if they sell their best assets.
That's bad news for whatever manager even wants to take the job
He has clearly been told there is no money to spend, even if they sell their best assets.
That's bad news for whatever manager even wants to take the job
I thought he'd do well there to be honest
Oh well
Oh well
hallamblue
Player Valuation: £40m
I said when he went there he'd lost his mojo and he has. His strength was his passion and ability to bind a team together, a bit like the Aldi version of Antonio Conte. That's gone now, he got too big for his boots and once you've changed like that, you can't change back. The reason Allardyce and Pulis have managed at such a high level for a long time is they know what they're good at and stick to it. Moyes thought he was better than he was, and it's now been conclusively proven that he isn't all that.
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