The fully firing side with Jags and Lescott, Arteta, Cahill, Peinaar and Baines in full flow and Yak up top was his best Everton side. Is this the side he is referring to?
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Moyes to Sunderland
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
If Koeman even equals Moyes' achievements of finishing fifth or God forbid fourth then we'll be in dreamland. I would have thought the Martinez years would have resulted in a greater appreciation of the work Moyes did. Multiple top 5 finishes on a negative net spend at times, our only 3 league finishes above Liverpool since 1987 despite selling our best players, our only cup final to date since 1995, our highest ever premier league placing. Yes he had a long period in charge to achieve these things but the hand he was playing with was severely limited (look how we botched elements of the latest transfer window, imagine trying to get quality players in when all you've got is BK and less than zero money).
If Koeman achieves any of this within three years even with far greater financial backing he'll probably be considered a reasonable success.
royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
Haha, angry strangled chicken, like it.
Brendan Janus
Player Valuation: £40m
neil999
Player Valuation: £80m
think alot of his success can be attributed to cahill and the 4-5-1 formation, which was quite innovative for the time...cahill would drop back and make five in midfield which was difficult to break down...but he had a good engine and was often able to make things happen in opposition penalty area and of course at set pieces
He's on a huge PR crusade at the moment, preaching long term and over exaggerating his accomplishments at Everton to afford him as much time as possible at Sunderland.
“We had a great team at Everton but we were missing a centre-forward,” Moyes said. “I might be exaggerating, but I think with that we would have been close to winning the Premier League, we were that good.
How many times did he break out transfer record on a centre-forward? Beattie? Yakubu, Johnson...
He's doing his usual isn't he? Downplaying the ambition of the team he's at (he even tried it at Man Utd!) and talking himself up.
“We had a great team at Everton but we were missing a centre-forward,” Moyes said. “I might be exaggerating, but I think with that we would have been close to winning the Premier League, we were that good.
How many times did he break out transfer record on a centre-forward? Beattie? Yakubu, Johnson...
He's doing his usual isn't he? Downplaying the ambition of the team he's at (he even tried it at Man Utd!) and talking himself up.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He paid out record sums for us on strikers in the shape of Beattie and Yakubu. He's having a complete laugh with that tosh.
The truth is he had good forwards and he ruined them by turning them into drudges.
"I could have won the title".
Ha ha ha ha ha.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Yes, the one that notched up 65 points as Moyes best ever PL tilt with us....just 27 points off winning the title that season.
Honest to God, Moyes must have lost his marbles with a statement like that. He managed the English Champions (by 11 clear points), choc full of talent and he finished 7th with them, killing them stone dead as a PL and European force.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Beattie ha ha. He got decent money for one decent striker in 11 years in Yakubu. He was a good striker (who barely ran at all to dispel that channel running myth) until his ACL. Then him Beckford Saha were all sold and we had a 6 month period with Anichebe and Strac as a premier league strikeforce. Moyes didn't have the luxury of burning 14 million on some amateur 'footballer' who can barely trap a ball.
He's stretching to say he could have won the league obviously but he was finishing top 5 with luminaries such as Bent McFadden Beattie and Johnson. Does make you think what would have happened had someone gifted him a Lukaku to spearhead that 07-10 team or the 11-13 team that managed to lay on quite s few goals for a striker as limited as Jelavic (another one who did nothing resembling running let alone running any channels)
USABlue
Player Valuation: £70m
The difference is while we were skint compared to the top end of the league under moyes there was a much larger gap between us and clubs like west ham, Southampton, stoke , Leicester. The TV money made midtable much more competitive.
He broke our transfer record 3 times on strikers. He had Yakubu and Johnson together for a season as well.
Also, Yakubu had a better goals per minute rate in the league here compared to Lukaku over the same 4 year period they both spent here so he arguably had a striker as good as Lukaku at the moment.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
That is being selective in your choice of clubs there though (Southampton Leicester and West Ham were not even in the prem for periods of Moyes' tenure.
Aston Villa, Newcastle Spurs and even Leeds were all ahead of us at the start of Moyes' tenure and all could comfortably outspend is in transfer fees and wages. Blackburn and of course an emergent Man City also seemed to have the money to beat us to most targets. There was a brief period of Portsmouth spending too. Despite this we were often 'best of the rest'. Mid table was very competitive, some of those sides though had terrible exec teams giving awful managers far too much money to spend on awful players. We had a brilliant manager spending our meagre funds prudently due to unbelievable scouting, a culture of players retention, and a commitment to building up the academy.
Without David Moyes I firmly believe Everton would be a championship club at best along with most of the clubs I listed above. Outside of the current monied 6 we are the only side to survive uninterrupted in the league. Using excuses like 'it's because we're a big club' is too simplistic when you see far richer clubs in the lower leagues now. We had an incompetent board in the most perilous economic time in our history in a period which will come to be viewed as the most important in the history of the prem (the start of the tv money). Thank god for Bill's one good decision to hire David Moyes who I consider to be the saviour of modern Everton and after Kendall and Catterick one of the best managers in our post war history.
USABlue
Player Valuation: £70m
I wasn't saying moyes didn't do well with what he had, he just reached his ceiling though. He had tons of money at UTD and was a shambles. He's good at making a team hard to break down and scrapping points in midtable.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
What you're saying there is that Moyes had good strikers at the club...something he says himself he was short of "or I'd have won the title" (pffft!)....but fate intervened.
On your point about wondering what he could have done with Lukaku in his team: Lukaku got all his goals by being given a free role to play off the shoulder of defenders and not run about too much. He was catered to. Do you think Moyes would have done that to get a couple of seasons worth of 17/18 goals from Lukaku? Not a chance...and Lukaku would have never have agreed to sign for a manager like that.
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