I don't think the context will be stripped out, mainly due to how much more documented his tenure was in comparison to past managers, what with the internet and what-not
I hope that context is never lost, because it doesn't deserve to be
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Moyes to Sunderland
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I don't think the context will be stripped out, mainly due to how much more documented his tenure was in comparison to past managers, what with the internet and what-not
I hope that context is never lost, because it doesn't deserve to be
He was here for 10+ years and didn't win a thing.
The clubs history defines that as failure, I hope the future does as well.
Well I hope it doesn't, because he took the club forwards and that's what should be remembered in my opinion. And he got to a cup final in that time and a top 4 finish
He took over a club destined for relegation and left them in a strong place for the new manager to kick on
If you leave a club stronger than when you got there, you're not a failure
To deny him kudos for that smacks of entitlement if I'm being honest
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I guess that's the kind of kneejerky reactionary school of thought that leads to the sacking of many a manager.
Anyone that thinks that Moyes failed at the club needs their head wobbled.
If you look at the above Everton managers, Cliff Britton - comparative to others - he wasn't very good was he?
He might have been a great bloke, he might have had done very well when you consider the circumstances he had.
Oh, what circumstance.
That context right there, 99% of fans reading this won't know. They can't tell you the context.
In the absence of context, Britton is a manager who was here for 300+ games but didn't win sod all. That's poor, comparatively to other EFC managers.
In time, people will look at Moyes, a manager of 500+ games who won sod all. That won't come with a disclaimer of 'Yeah, but, but, but...'
In 10+ years.
This is exactly what I meant by;
I can understand someone saying he could have done more of course
But to say he was an outright failure does him a disservice in my opinion
Far more goes into it than just cups in the closet. Just look at our bench for the 2009 Final FFS
Any manager would have struggled in that situation
He made the absolute most out of the very least
Now, if you want to complain about him bottling it against Wigan you can go right ahead, because that was bloody shameful, but it didn't undo the good work that had gone before
I would never comment on him because I wouldn't know the circumstances mate, that's the whole point
To just go off a page on Wikipedia to decide whether a manager you know nothing about was any good is utterly pointless and fatuous
If someone who didn't live through the Moyes years wants to make sweeping statements and wild accusations in 20 years time then that's on them
But as long as people like me are around we'll be delighted to correct them, and also pass on the truth to the more learned ones who want to know more about our history
Brendan Janus
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He's facked !!
Calm down Shieky Baby!
Ahem
If someone who didn't live through the Moyes years wants to make sweeping statements and wild accusations in 20 years time then that's on them
But as long as people like me are around we'll be delighted to correct them, and also pass on the truth to the more learned ones who want to know more about our history
I'd like to think I've got a few years left in me yet to spread the good word of Davey, and I'll spread it for as long as I can to as many as will listen, as will others. And once a new generation knows, it will be passed down to another
Future generations will have more than just Wikipedia
They'll have videos, news articles, posts on forums, Tweets, you name it. Context will be a part of future debates because so much has been documented
brieverton
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Although I generally thought well of him during his time here, he had an opportunity to break the Top 4 far more often than the season we managed it, and didn't take it, even in constrained circumstances. We were ahead of Spurs consistently, and Man City didn't feature for the first half of his spell with us. We could and should have beaten in what many years what was an average RS side to 4th.
Koeman and Martinez have/had much tougher propositions to get us into the CL.
I would despair as a Sunderland fan at his consistent negativity and belittling of his own team. They are as good as the other clubs down there, perhaps Palace aside but I dont see a great deal of difference with the other teams and they have Defoe.
This constant sulking is the biggest turn-off, and proves he was a million miles away from the sort of personality needed to succeed at Man Utd, let alone Everton.
Koeman and Martinez have/had much tougher propositions to get us into the CL.
I would despair as a Sunderland fan at his consistent negativity and belittling of his own team. They are as good as the other clubs down there, perhaps Palace aside but I dont see a great deal of difference with the other teams and they have Defoe.
This constant sulking is the biggest turn-off, and proves he was a million miles away from the sort of personality needed to succeed at Man Utd, let alone Everton.
Papa Shango
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That stupid run down the street on his way to United and his bizzare attempt to land two of our players undid everything for me.
He was brilliant at the start where he did make the most out of the least. After that he built a very capable side yet reigned them in any time we looked like pushing on for some reason.
He should have left after the final in 2009 really
That was the perfect time
If only we'd managed to hold onto that lead...
Papa Shango
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Indeed.
We never were going to though. Even if we had everyone fit as its just what he did/does.
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