MOYES, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER

[nigelcoyb]

I do feel sorry for the OP and those who put their faith in this fella I actually don't blame Moyes one iota.

He never said fck all of any substance at our place not a word of engagement, inspiration or in any way shape or form anything to project himself as an Evertonian. I argue his original contract strops, cussed attitude after "the" anfield derby, protection of BK and the lies in his last year were part of a litany of evidence to illustrate quite clearly what he was all about.

Not his fault people decided to ignore it and build some grotesque fairy tale about integrity and IMWT - very sad to see.

 

[royalblue66]

anybody think Baines might just be happy playing in the city he was born and grew up in ?,two young kids,wife,around his family and friends,not short of a bob or two at this stage.has great rapport with the fans and seemingly with the goodison staff.last week I got the impression he was looking forward to the new challenge Martinez is bringing,and the ambition to win things with Everton,he's playing for his country so it's not like he's feeling the need to go so a supposed bigger club to improve his international chances.
I would have thought if he wanted the move he would and could have pushed it last season,but he seemed perfectly happy with his lot,wouldn't be so sure he'd want to go as strange as it sounds.

Most of us hope so mate

 

[quasi modo]

Martinez should be coming into a club with a strong squad, but with Baines and Fellaini both going imo, that would seriously weaken our first 11 and send out the wrong message to the other players, and potential new signings.

 

[arminisgod]

Just tell the mancs to get ****ed. Simple

 

[kev101]

Nothing to see here!
Normal football business taking place.

 

[Tubey]

I do feel sorry for the OP and those who put their faith in this fella I actually don't blame Moyes one iota.

He never said fck all of any substance at our place not a word of engagement, inspiration or in any way shape or form anything to project himself as an Evertonian. I argue his original contract strops, cussed attitude after "the" anfield derby, protection of BK and the lies in his last year were part of a litany of evidence to illustrate quite clearly what he was all about.

Not his fault people decided to ignore it and build some grotesque fairy tale about integrity and IMWT - very sad to see.

Cult of personality isn't it? CM Moyes.

Never fooled me for an instant. He was a man doing a job at Everton, nothing more, nothing less.

Same thing will happen to Martinez. People will call him a "true blue" and other such rubbish.

They're just employees, and there's nothing wrong with that, but people need to stop the ridiculous cultist bias towards individuals and instead support the football club first and foremost. It's a trait that is far, far worse at Liverpool (that lot are spookily cultist), but it exists here too. True "heart on sleeve" icons are ridiculously rare. In fact, I'd name one in the last 20 odd years and that's Duncan Ferguson. Tim Cahill was close but still ultimately an employee, but Duncan actually was completely Everton.

Given that rarity, I just wish people would stop jumping on the cult of personality all the time. Moyes makes one off the cuff comment about "The People's Club" and it kept him in a job for a decade.

We're a MASSIVE club, much more than any one person, and it needs to be remembered.

 

[Groucho]

Groucho he's still being paid by Everton,so technically he's our employee,a player would have been moved on in last season of contract,manager should be same,so I am in a way having a go at Kenwright for that reason,**** scared of upsetting Moyes!

I'm not saying it's right - Moyes, if this is true, is getting right on my wick by coming for Baines but I fail to see how people can pin this on Kenwright. It's criticising for the sake of it. Yes, Moyes is at Man U early - but Martinez is here so it's swings and roundabouts as they say.

If we held on till next week, he'd just bid then. Some people don't like the chairman, I get it, but absoulutley everything is not to be pinned on the guy. I feel that's enough about Kenwright in here. He's even said he'll fight to keep Baines here - however I'm sure loads will say he's bluffing.

 

[paulbefc]

Cult of personality isn't it? CM Moyes.

Never fooled me for an instant. He was a man doing a job at Everton, nothing more, nothing less.

Same thing will happen to Martinez. People will call him a "true blue" and other such rubbish.

They're just employees, and there's nothing wrong with that, but people need to stop the ridiculous cultist bias towards individuals and instead support the football club first and foremost. It's a trait that is far, far worse at Liverpool (that lot are spookily cultist), but it exists here too. True "heart on sleeve" icons are ridiculously rare. In fact, I'd name one in the last 20 odd years and that's Duncan Ferguson. Tim Cahill was close but still ultimately an employee, but Duncan actually was completely Everton.

Given that rarity, I just wish people would stop jumping on the cult of personality all the time. Moyes makes one off the cuff comment about "The People's Club" and it kept him in a job for a decade.

We're a MASSIVE club, much more than any one person, and it needs to be remembered.

I don't know what you're trying to get at here. Who has said he's a "heart on sleeve icon"? What do you think is this "cult of personality"? Who do you think has been "fooled"? The idea that because people supported Moyes is because they thought he was some sort of heroic die-hard Evertonian is utterly ridiculous. He was respected because he did his job in a professional way and got good, consistent results.

I respect him because he did exactly what you've said in the quoted post. He was an employee who worked harder than anyone here, got results and did it with some dignity. That's all I can ask of a manager. He did very well here, without being a Rodgers-style belter. I don't think you could give a good example of what you're even talking about here. Try to explain it by referring to something real other than your own, incorrect assumptions.

Just another patronising, ignorant post on the internet. Good of you to bring kopites into it as well. Textbook cheap point-scoring. And the classic "Moyes FC" shout to finish. Brilliant. Give me a quote where someone has even gently insinuated that Moyes may be bigger than Everton.

If Everton is bigger than Moyes and all he was was an employee who is leaving, why are people throwing the dummy out of the pram because they haven't taken pity on poor, "plucky little Everton" as we've lost our manager? If Everton are so big, why do some fans seemingly want pity? It's a f*cking massive contradiction. This is professional sport and BUSINESS ffs.

 

[steken1]

I'd fine him two weeks wages and take 120 bags out of his last pay.

 

[Tubey]

I don't know what you're trying to get at here. Who has said he's a "heart on sleeve icon"? What do you think is this "cult of personality"? Who do you think has been "fooled"? The idea that because people supported Moyes is because they thought he was some sort of heroic die-hard Evertonian is utterly ridiculous. He was respected because he did his job in a professional way and got good, consistent results.

I respect him because he did exactly what you've said in the quoted post. He was an employee who worked harder than anyone here, got results and did it with some dignity. That's all I can ask of a manager. He did very well here, without being a Rodgers-style belter. I don't think you could give a good example of what you're even talking about here. Try to explain it by referring to something real other than your own, incorrect assumptions.

Just another patronising, ignorant post on the internet. Good of you to bring kopites into it as well. Textbook cheap point-scoring. And the classic "Moyes FC" shout to finish. Brilliant. Give me a quote where someone has even gently insinuated that Moyes may be bigger than Everton.

If Everton is bigger than Moyes and all he was was an employee who is leaving, why are people throwing the dummy out of the pram because they haven't taken pity on poor, "plucky little Everton" as we've lost our manager? If Everton are so big, why do some fans seemingly want pity? It's a f*cking massive contradiction. This is professional sport and BUSINESS ffs.

What am I incorrect about? I said he was just an employee and I said it was ridiculous to assign character traits to that said employee.

I assume I imagined the "In Moyes We Trust" shouts over the last decade then?

Seemingly, you're trying to make out like I'm saying something completely different to what I typed! I wonder why you'd do that....

 

[davek]

I don't know what you're trying to get at here. Who has said he's a "heart on sleeve icon"? What do you think is this "cult of personality"? Who do you think has been "fooled"? The idea that because people supported Moyes is because they thought he was some sort of heroic die-hard Evertonian is utterly ridiculous. He was respected because he did his job in a professional way and got good, consistent results.

I respect him because he did exactly what you've said in the quoted post. He was an employee who worked harder than anyone here, got results and did it with some dignity. That's all I can ask of a manager. He did very well here, without being a Rodgers-style belter. I don't think you could give a good example of what you're even talking about here. Try to explain it by referring to something real other than your own, incorrect assumptions.

Just another patronising, ignorant post on the internet. Good of you to bring kopites into it as well. Textbook cheap point-scoring. And the classic "Moyes FC" shout to finish. Brilliant. Give me a quote where someone has even gently insinuated that Moyes may be bigger than Everton.

If Everton is bigger than Moyes and all he was was an employee who is leaving, why are people throwing the dummy out of the pram because they haven't taken pity on poor, "plucky little Everton" as we've lost our manager? If Everton are so big, why do some fans seemingly want pity? It's a f*cking massive contradiction. This is professional sport and BUSINESS ffs.

He came in and did a more than competent job and got, quite rightly, respect for it. He also got well rewarded for it financially. His attitude to the club owners was that he'd back them to the hilt on all financial matters even to the point where he'd hang out to dry a supporter group who were looking to get answers to key questions on the chronic state the club is in. He's now left for the richest club in the world, but we dont get any compensation for his leaving because he chose to run down his contract - no doubt at his soon to be next employer's request. The feller did promote himself above the status of the club (absolutely no question about that), and no one's asking him to take pity on Everton, just to stay the **** away from a player with two years on a contract unless they can cough up the going rate for him.

 

[mawders]

I will always be grateful to David Moyes for his services at Everton. He is still be paid by us until the 1st of July. The issue with Leighton Baines has infuriated me and if you cast your minds back to when we had the issue with Joleon Lescott when Manchester City were throwing money at us for his release, Moyes was threw a wobbler when City came back when the bid was rejected as City were told Lescott was not for sale.
David Moyes who has had a bid rejected has come back again with yet another bid supposedly in the region of £18m. Isn't that a contradiction.
Davis Moyes, you know how important Baines is to us, take your mega bucks and look elsewhere and leave Everton to progress under Roberto Martinez. I never thought he could be so heartless.

He wants to sign the best left back in the country. It's the way it is. It's up to Baines to say no. I'd say yes though, to be honest. I dont want Baines to go, bu if Baines wants to look back on his career and have medals and champions league football to show for it, then he wont get that at everton. He's 28 now, so not long left

 

[paulbefc]

What am I incorrect about? I said he was just an employee and I said it was ridiculous to assign character traits to that said employee.

I assume I imagined the "In Moyes We Trust" shouts over the last decade then?

Seemingly, you're trying to make out like I'm saying something completely different to what I typed! I wonder why you'd do that....

You're incorrect that Moyes was looked upon as a cult hero. Likewise, there is no cult of personality. No one has been "fooled" by anyone. I think after 11 years, people worked out how Moyes went about his job. No one has ever compared him to Duncan Ferguson except you. I still think that's the strangest part of the post. No one has even made out Moyes has had anything like the relationship with Everton that Ferguson did or said anything to suggest he has cult hero status. It's a very odd choice of comparison. I don't think this really needs to be said, but the "People's Club" quote didn't keep him in a job at all. Finally, not one person has ever insinuated that Moyes is bigger than the club. The only people who have suggested that people think this are those looking to score points against people who supported Moyes. All of the things I've referred to are things you typed and they are all incorrect.

How is it ridiculous to assign character traits to someone who's worked here 11 years? Are you saying you've never praised or knocked his character?

How on earth does saying "In Moyes We Trust" mean "I think Moyes is bigger than Everton"?

You've used the word "cult" rather a lot. We both know that is completely daft when referring to Everton fans or their attitudes towards Moyes ffs.

 

[paulbefc]

He came in and did a more than competent job and got, quite rightly, respect for it. He also got well rewarded for it financially. His attitude to the club owners was that he'd back them to the hilt on all financial matters even to the point where he'd hang out to dry a supporter group who were looking to get answers to key questions on the chronic state the club is in. He's now left for the richest club in the world, but we dont get any compensation for his leaving because he chose to run down his contract - no doubt at his soon to be next employer's request. The feller did promote himself above the status of the club (absolutely no question about that), and no one's asking him to take pity on Everton, just to stay the **** away from a player with two years on a contract unless they can cough up the going rate for him.

If he knew he was going, why would he screw his new employers out of millions in compensation? What a great first action as manager! He owed/s Everton absolutely nothing. I disagree with the point on self-promotion, but I suppose that's a matter of opinion. He looked genuinely proud that the Evertonians made the West Ham game about Everton and not about him and he mentioned that as well. I'm trying to look at facts here, but many just want to use anything to knock him.

 

[MACCA75]

You're incorrect that Moyes was looked upon as a cult hero. Likewise, there is no
cult of personality. No one has been
"fooled" by anyone. I think after 11 years, people worked out how Moyes went about his job. No one has ever compared him to Duncan Ferguson except you. I still think that's the strangest part of the post. No one has even made out Moyes has had anything like the relationship with Everton that Ferguson did or said anything to suggest he has cult hero status. It's a very odd choice of comparison. I don't think this really needs to be said, but the "People's Club" quote didn't keep him in a job at all. Finally, not one person has ever insinuated that Moyes is bigger than the club. The only people who have suggested that people think this are those looking to score points against people who supported Moyes. All of the things I've referred to are things you typed and they are all incorrect.

How is it ridiculous to assign character traits to someone who's worked here 11 years? Are you saying you've never praised or knocked his character?

How on earth does saying "In Moyes We Trust" mean "I think Moyes is bigger than Everton"?

You've used the word "cult" rather a lot. We both know that is completely daft when referring to Everton fans or their attitudes towards Moyes ffs.

Totally agree with everything you are saying mate. This faux outrage because Man Utd have bid for one of our players really doesnt sit well with me at all. Its just cheap, bitter point scoring by those who wanted Moyes out.