MOYES, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER

[Toffeelover]

That is just plain silly. Moyes was perfectly within his right to run his contract down. It is part of having a contract. .

True but at the same time he should not have been running off to OT and their training ground and laughing it up with the Man U players & ferguson until the 1st July which is tomorrow.

 

[paulbefc]

Totally agree with everything you are saying mate. This faux outrage because Man Utd have bid for one of our players really doesnt sit well with me at all. Its just cheap, bitter point scoring by those who wanted Moyes out.

If people genuinely believe that Moyes was the one that came up with the £12m figure, then I get why it could be seen in a negative way. I don't believe that for a second though and I haven't seen a shred of evidence to suggest he did. In fact, I think it's a completely unrealistic assumption to make. Of course he doesn't get involved in the financial side of deals. He's the manager, not the chairman.

 

[Toffeelover]

Felli is not a target for Moyes because Man U do not like the starting price of 24 mill, but Baines they see as a good chance of paying rather "little" and IMO would go away if price was set at 24 mill. I believe he is worth at least that in player vaulations.

If anyone thinks that Moyes has no hand in this then they must be dreaming.

 

[MACCA75]

Can well believe that Moyes may have suggested a bid of £18 million might get Baines - but realistically, that was never going to be United's opening bid. If we wanted Callum McManaman for example - would we go straight in with an £8 million bid? I dont think so.

 

[davek]

If he knew he was going, why would he screw his new employers out of millions in compensation? What a great first action as manager! He owed/s Everton absolutely nothing.

Yes, I suppose that is the way to look at it. There was no loyalty to Everton while he was running down his contract whilst at the same time indicating he'd look at his options at the end of the season. So do you see the type of person you believe is 'dignified'? He owed Everton nothing other than a straight bat. Did he play one? No. I think anyone believing he didn't know exactly where he was off to is being a bit naive.

I disagree with the point on self-promotion, but I suppose that's a matter of opinion. He looked genuinely proud that the Evertonians made the West Ham game about Everton and not about him and he mentioned that as well. I'm trying to look at facts here, but many just want to use anything to knock him.

Well, it's not a matter for disagreement that the feller on umpteen occasions decided to hammer home how poor Everton were until he showed up. That is undeniably the case and he was forever making that case in order to flatter himself.

As for your other point below to MACCA about seeing no shred of evidence to suggest Moyes made that paltry bid: what is the compelling case to suggest the reverse - that it was all someone else's doing? Evidence for that? I'd say when that club has no director of football then it's much more logical to assume that Moyes, and not a suit head-hunted from the financial world, was the determinant of what value Baines should be bracketed with.

 

[davek]

Felli is not a target for Moyes because Man U do not like the starting price of 24 mill, but Baines they see as a good chance of paying rather "little" and IMO would go away if price was set at 24 mill. I believe he is worth at least that in player vaulations.

If anyone thinks that Moyes has no hand in this then they must be dreaming.

Nailed it.

 

[steken1]

Clubs like Chelsea and City have made it the case these days that people pay top dollar for players for the now. That means a 28yr old left back is worth the same as a equally talented 23yr old. If Man Utd etc want him then they can pay his absolute value. I'm sure city and even Chelsea as well as a few other big sides across europe wouldn't baulk.

We should make no exceptions for Man Utd because they make their money ligit. That's how player trading is at top level football. Baines is a top level footballer.

 

[davek]

Clubs like Chelsea and City have made it the case these days that people pay top dollar for players for the now. That means a 28yr old left back is worth the same as a equally talented 23yr old. If Man Utd etc want him then they can pay his absolute value. I'm sure city and even Chelsea as well as a few other big sides across europe wouldn't baulk.

We should make no exceptions for Man Utd because they make their money ligit. That's how player trading is at top level football. Baines is a top level footballer.

'We dont sell cheap' - David Moyes.

 

[kenada_blue]

Can we label this an official FUME thread?

 

[EvertruvianMan]

Perfect test of character and devotion to his new position - "go and get one of your former players that'd fit in here, lets see how loyal you are". Its cut throat, its nasty - its business.

The final fee and the structure of the payments for the Rooney deal I feel are much worse than any deal we are looking at having to make this summer - would it have been that way if Moyes had been a bit nicer to "our Wayne" or has it all been forgotten? Or has Rooney taken the brunt of our wrath for jumping into bed with Stretford and making silly allegations about press leaks.

With the way the support has treated servants like Hibbert and Osman over the seasons it all seems very holier than thou. Rank hypocrisy, but its alright if we are picking up players cheap from a club on its backside like Rangers, or we gazump a deal between Millwall and Wigan because Wigans chairman is a principaled nutter.

Them that have been sharpening their axes over years for Moyes have their opportunity to go for him, and lie about their reasons. The kinds of behaviour we rightly ridicule them at Klanfield for.

 

[Bet]

How dare that Moyles lad even dare think of bidding on one of our players when we are still paying him. He's lost his mind someone on the board needs to tell him to foxtrot oscar.

 

[Banhart]

Doesn't Moyes work for Man United... Who I'm pretty sure, for the last few seasons have been looking at Baines........ Yeah Moyes is probably helping out his new employers, by spilling the beans on our financial problems (for when they want to bid for a player, right now). So using this as a parting shot for Moyes saying it's all him, short memories....

30-08-2012, 03:15 PM

Baines is committed and staying, insists Everton assistant, David Moyes' right-hand man is adamant that the England international is going nowhere, despite being linked with various clubs including Premier League giants Manchester United

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/47294-Man-united-back-in-for-Baines

There's plenty of threads guys, it's not like the interest has only just come about since Moyes became the manager over there....

On 1st July I think Roberto should just get the lads together to train, then after the first week sit Baines down and ask him genuinely if he wants to stay or wants to leave, if he wants to stay, hopefully the board are true to their word (lol).... If he wants to leave, try negotiate the deal for as high a price as possible, I'm not sure who we'd get to replace him, Luke Shaw from Southampton? I know he pledged his future recently but he's young and already a first team regular for them, we also have Oviedo and Garbutt. Distin can cover for LB, which means we could also promote Duffy if worst came to worst, a silver lining to every con lads...

Oh.. If the rumours of Alcaraz? Signing are true we have more CB cover, not sure what we're doing about John Heitinga's future yet though...

 

[paulbefc]

Yes, I suppose that is the way to look at it. There was no loyalty to Everton while he was running down his contract whilst at the same time indicating he'd look at his options at the end of the season. So do you see the type of person you believe is 'dignified'? He owed Everton nothing other than a straight bat. Did he play one? No. I think anyone believing he didn't know exactly where he was off to is being a bit naive.

All he owed us as manager was to see his contract out and delivering satisfactory performance in the league. Why would he sign a new contract if he knew there was a chance he was leaving? As he has stated, he wasn't sure he wanted to stay and if an offer like United came in, he'd be off. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for knowing he was leaving and running his contract down, when he accepted the offer (no one can act like they have the slightest clue when that was) we all saw how much everything in the media was about Moyes in those last two games, if that had gone on for weeks or months it may have hurt the team's form. I'm sure he didn't want any distractions for the players and staff and so said "I'll leave it until the end of the season." It's clear what he was doing. He was honouring his contract and delivering the best performance he could as that is what he owed us. And he did, we finished the season strongly.

Well, it's not a matter for disagreement that the feller on umpteen occasions decided to hammer home how poor Everton were until he showed up. That is undeniably the case and he was forever making that case in order to flatter himself.

I don't remember many quotes like this and I doubt they're as bad as you're making out. In any case, he'd be entirely correct. We were utter, utter sh*te when he took over.

As for your other point below to MACCA about seeing no shred of evidence to suggest Moyes made that paltry bid: what is the compelling case to suggest the reverse - that it was all someone else's doing? Evidence for that? I'd say when that club has no director of football then it's much more logical to assume that Moyes, and not a suit head-hunted from the financial world, was the determinant of what value Baines should be bracketed with.

I'm pretty sure the financial side of transfer negotiations is not one that managers get particularly involved in. It's not what they're paid to do. He may well think Baines is valued much higher than £12m, but United have to get the best deal they can. They wouldn't go straight in at Moyes' evaluation. No way. Moyes is on the buyer's side anyway now, so his valuation has nothing to do with anything. All that matters is how much Everton value him at. If Bill fancies cashing in at less than Moyes' valuation now he's gone, United would be fools not to go lower. It's the same principle as him not signing a new contract. He could be screwing United out of millions if he helped little old Everton out with a massive bid.

 

[steken1]

All he owed us as manager was to see his contract out and delivering satisfactory performance in the league. Why would he sign a new contract if he knew there was a chance he was leaving? As he has stated, he wasn't sure he wanted to stay and if an offer like United came in, he'd be off. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for knowing he was leaving and running his contract down, when he accepted the offer (no one can act like they have the slightest clue when that was) we all saw how much everything in the media was about Moyes in those last two games, if that had gone on for weeks or months it may have hurt the team's form. I'm sure he didn't want any distractions for the players and staff and so said "I'll leave it until the end of the season." It's clear what he was doing. He was honouring his contract and delivering the best performance he could as that is what he owed us. And he did, we finished the season strongly.




I don't remember many quotes like this and I doubt they're as bad as you're making out. In any case, he'd be entirely correct. We were utter, utter sh*te when he took over.



I'm pretty sure the financial side of transfer negotiations is not one that managers get particularly involved in. It's not what they're paid to do. He may well think Baines is valued much higher than £12m, but United have to get the best deal they can. They wouldn't go straight in at Moyes' evaluation. No way. Moyes is on the buyer's side anyway now, so his valuation has nothing to do with anything. All that matters is how much Everton value him at. If Bill fancies cashing in at less than Moyes' valuation now he's gone, United would be fools not to go lower. It's the same principle as him not signing a new contract. He could be screwing United out of millions if he helped little old Everton out with a massive bid.

So you don't think if Roberto really wanted Kone and told him so then Bill went and put a 46m bid in for him Roberto would say 'hang on chops' he's not worth that.

 

[quasi modo]

Why can't he bid for Naismith?