Muhamed Besic

[marty mcfly]

My question is why everyone wants a DM to offer CM work forward? Barry, McCarthy, Besic and Gibson are 4 very different type of DM's. Gibson is obviously the best among them in going forward, the other 3 are much more defence minded. It should be the managers wise decision who he starts. This time it would be better to start Gibson and when Everton leads 2 goals then sub in Besic for better defense. Because that was much worse in the 2nd half.

And to this forward thing too: it's quite a critic to the CM's and AM's that a forward thinking DM needs to be subbed to get something from the game. And that's an answer to Your question: 2 DM's on the pitch and still conceding 2 goals ( I know it was mostly Howard's fault but they also got easier to Everton side).

Gibson was supposed to be Paul Scholes' replacement. The only reason he now plays DM is because of his injuries.

Gibson played really well and made a huge difference however the balance looked all wrong from the start. We can criticise Besic today for his performance with the ball however in my eyes he did far more than McCarthy who was pretty poor in that regard. We had no width and Barkley didn't exactly give Besic a moving target to hit the same way Atsu did. It's hard to pass to a player who doesn't move surrounded by 2 defenders.



Barkley either runs into our half to receive the ball or doesn't move. Or when he does receive the ball between the lines he passes straight back to the player who gave him the ball. His head is totally screwed.

 

[mkrudden]

Agree. Play the passer type against the lower sides and play the more defence minded ones against the likes of Arsenal. It's not that hard to figure out although most of the teams play with 2 wingers too......Martinez seems a little lost here for me.

Have to disagree with you here mate re: 2 wingers.

If you think we are too predictable now, imagine having two guys on each side who just want to get to the line and cut back a cross.

There's a case for Lennon right and Kev left, but I think it's far more important that we have one of the wide players in the form of a crafty playmaker. We don't have that kind of player with pienaar permanently injured which is why Naismith is doing a job for us.

We are sorely missing a bit of genius in the final third to open up teams like Leicester. I'll be amazed if Martinez hasn't already found him and has a bid ready for the summer

 

[marty mcfly]

Have to disagree with you here mate re: 2 wingers.

If you think we are too predictable now, imagine having two guys on each side who just want to get to the line and cut back a cross.

There's a case for Lennon right and Kev left, but I think it's far more important that we have one of the wide players in the form of a crafty playmaker. We don't have that kind of player with pienaar permanently injured which is why Naismith is doing a job for us.

We are sorely missing a bit of genius in the final third to open up teams like Leicester. I'll be amazed if Martinez hasn't already found him and has a bid ready for the summer

2 wingers would still be better than using Naismith as the playmaker. When's the last time Naismith played a through ball.

 

[mkrudden]

2 wingers would still be better than using Naismith as the playmaker. When's the last time Naismith played a through ball.

I agree with this, but isn't it choose the lesser evil?

Naismith is solid, works hard, is a team player and nicks the odd goal here and there.

Mirrallas, McGeady... Flick a coin.

He MUST purchase someone, shame that Tadic fella has gone to soton

 

[Hungariansupport]

Gibson was supposed to be Paul Scholes' replacement. The only reason he now plays DM is because of his injuries.

Gibson played really well and made a huge difference however the balance looked all wrong from the start. We can criticise Besic today for his performance with the ball however in my eyes he did far more than McCarthy who was pretty poor in that regard. We had no width and Barkley didn't exactly give Besic a moving target to hit the same way Atsu did. It's hard to pass to a player who doesn't move surrounded by 2 defenders.



Barkley either runs into our half to receive the ball or doesn't move. Or when he does receive the ball between the lines he passes straight back to the player who gave him the ball. His head is totally screwed.

Thanks, that explains a lot why is Gibbo so good on forward play and why is it too harsh to compare him in this way to Besic (or any Everton DM). In that case it's more a mystery if he was fit why didn't he start to press Leicester from the beginning? Why two totally defence minded DM's? I think that Besic can become something more but just after he learns properly the defence part. And agree that he was better today in terms of breaking up the play but I understand totally why is always Besic subbed. He's the rookie, the experienced players are more needed in these situations and it's absolutely right that way.

 

[Shagster]

Gibson was supposed to be Paul Scholes' replacement. The only reason he now plays DM is because of his injuries.

Gibson played really well and made a huge difference however the balance looked all wrong from the start. We can criticise Besic today for his performance with the ball however in my eyes he did far more than McCarthy who was pretty poor in that regard. We had no width and Barkley didn't exactly give Besic a moving target to hit the same way Atsu did. It's hard to pass to a player who doesn't move surrounded by 2 defenders.



Barkley either runs into our half to receive the ball or doesn't move. Or when he does receive the ball between the lines he passes straight back to the player who gave him the ball. His head is totally screwed.

yes and you can say the same about Rom...even when the first touch is reasonably sound, the ball is travelling backwards. Where's the little flicks round the corner /dummies etc. I know he's a crock but peanuts and to some extent ossie had this in their game.

 

[Zatara]

With Besic and McCarthy in the centre we didn't look like conceding apart from a freak goal. They need time together to build an understanding though.

These two should play every game together to keep us solid.

 

[mrb85]

Have to disagree with you here mate re: 2 wingers.

If you think we are too predictable now, imagine having two guys on each side who just want to get to the line and cut back a cross.

There's a case for Lennon right and Kev left, but I think it's far more important that we have one of the wide players in the form of a crafty playmaker. We don't have that kind of player with pienaar permanently injured which is why Naismith is doing a job for us.

We are sorely missing a bit of genius in the final third to open up teams like Leicester. I'll be amazed if Martinez hasn't already found him and has a bid ready for the summer

Who's going to want to play in The Championship though?

 

[mkrudden]

Who's going to want to play in The Championship though?

Haha come on mate, all will seem better soon enough

 

[Kiwi]

Think Besic and McCarthy showed today that it needs to be one or the other but not both playing simultaneously as they both lack a cutting edge with their passing. Gibson has it as does Barry to an extent, the ability to dictate and direct play. For the whole of the first half they had barely any successful balls played forward, but instead shuffled the ball sideways and back to the defenders, limiting the speed at which we moved the ball forward and allowing Leicester to get two banks of 4 behind the ball. Compare that to the impact Gibson had when he came on in spreading the ball forward incisively, creating space for our attacking players and as such opportunities for us on goal.
Clearly something that they will work on developing in regards to their game, but thought it showed they were too similar a pair to provide the entire package of what we needed from the midfielders.

 

[Eggs]

Gibson was supposed to be Paul Scholes' replacement. The only reason he now plays DM is because of his injuries.

Gibson played really well and made a huge difference however the balance looked all wrong from the start. We can criticise Besic today for his performance with the ball however in my eyes he did far more than McCarthy who was pretty poor in that regard. We had no width and Barkley didn't exactly give Besic a moving target to hit the same way Atsu did. It's hard to pass to a player who doesn't move surrounded by 2 defenders.



Barkley either runs into our half to receive the ball or doesn't move. Or when he does receive the ball between the lines he passes straight back to the player who gave him the ball. His head is totally screwed.

....McCarthy played more than half the game playing Barry's role. It really is a difficult position that one requiring real discipline of movement. Eventually I would like to see Besic in that role but it will take some learning. The balance was much better when MCCarthy reverted to his normal position once Gibson came on.

 

[Christiffa25]

I always thout McCarthy and Barry played alongside each other in a 2. Barry the left side, McCarthy the right. Is this not correct?? Does Barry play a more deeper central role than McCarthy? Or is Barry just the one assigned to drop deeper to recieve the ball?

 

[royvernon39]

Barry, I think, plays much deeper while mc Carthy charges around tackling and grabbing possession. But the thing is that Barry is more of a perceptive passer when he gets forward.

I was a big proponent of mc Carthy and Besic playing together but yesterday I dropped that idea. They are too similar and importantly neither scores goals or can make a killer pass. For that reason, one or the other- usually mc carthy - should partner Barry or Gibson.

The thing is that Gibson usually plays about six times each year before he breaks down.

I am with mkrudden. We need a top no 10.

 

[MACCA75]

2 wingers would still be better than using Naismith as the playmaker. When's the last time Naismith played a through ball.

Played a couple of great ones in the second half yesterday, put Atsu and Rom clean through.

What he isn't though, is a natural wide player, and this shoehorning him and Barkley into the same team is madness.

 

[Bert1985]

I thought Mo was poor yesterday. Not all his fault but the balance looked totally wrong. It doesn't help that Barkley/Naismith are playing out of position every week either.