New Everton Manager

[brieverton]

I think we've been warned off approaching in-contract PL managers due to the Silva thing. Who do you think we should have pursued and offered the job too?

There probably is something in that.

They may have concluded it just wasn't worth it. The "selling" club holds all of the aces and we would have been on dangerous ground making an indirect / illegal approach, after recent history.

Even if you get your man, it takes weeks in time spent + compensation. Not that compensation would have been a big issue for Potter, but Brighton or any other club for example, aren't ever going to hand over their manager without a fight, and who would blame them.

It doesn't appear to be as big an issue in Europe, but culturally as much as anything else, it's just frowned upon here. It's also a factor that other PL clubs don't seem to have as high an opinion of our status as we do. It isn't like Madrid approaching Ancelotti, they had all that sewn up before Everton would have been told.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Can you provide some examples?

I have lots in my head, most of which others will scoff at, but when we end up with someone like benitez, then I don't understand that mentality

Potter
Frank - (Edit - This is Thomas Frank, not me splitting Frank Lampard into 2 seperate lines!)
Lampard
Favre
Ragnick
Emery
Kovac
Mancini

I have a very open mind on it really. I only have 2 real criteria....

1) Avoid any unnnecessarily divisive appointments which would create a bad atmosphere
2) Don't re-appoint someone who has previously been our manager - I don't think it's ever likely to work second time around.

 

[Moomin]

I have lots in my head, most of which others will scoff at, but when we end up with someone like benitez, then I don't understand that mentality

Potter
Frank - (Edit - This is Thomas Frank, not me splitting Frank Lampard into 2 seperate lines!)
Lampard
Favre
Ragnick
Emery
Kovac
Mancini

I have a very open mind on it really. I only have 2 real criteria....

1) Avoid any unnnecessarily divisive appointments which would create a bad atmosphere
2) Don't re-appoint someone who has previously been our manager - I don't think it's ever likely to work second time around.

Never mind Ragnick, we should Ragnorak the club.

 

[riddick]

I have lots in my head, most of which others will scoff at, but when we end up with someone like benitez, then I don't understand that mentality

Potter
Frank - (Edit - This is Thomas Frank, not me splitting Frank Lampard into 2 seperate lines!)
Lampard
Favre
Ragnick
Emery
Kovac
Mancini

I have a very open mind on it really. I only have 2 real criteria....

1) Avoid any unnnecessarily divisive appointments which would create a bad atmosphere
2) Don't re-appoint someone who has previously been our manager - I don't think it's ever likely to work second time around.

It's really not a hard ask, is it? "Just don't make a significant majority livid at your appointment" should really be criteria #1. Most people would be let down by nothing negative managers like Nuno but wary and try to give him a chance. Benitez is very likely to be booed in his first match. Think about how ludicrous the club has to be to even consider something like that.

 

[DL100]

I have lots in my head, most of which others will scoff at, but when we end up with someone like benitez, then I don't understand that mentality

Potter
Frank - (Edit - This is Thomas Frank, not me splitting Frank Lampard into 2 seperate lines!)
Lampard
Favre
Ragnick
Emery
Kovac
Mancini

I have a very open mind on it really. I only have 2 real criteria....

1) Avoid any unnnecessarily divisive appointments which would create a bad atmosphere
2) Don't re-appoint someone who has previously been our manager - I don't think it's ever likely to work second time around.

I don’t think Lampard would be the worst appointment tbh. Would need to be backed for a few seasons though.

 

[billyblue80]

Nah I know mate, and like I say I understood the Sam circumstances, and I hated Allardyce my god I never thought the situation was that bad.

Benitez to me is a worse appointment than Allardyce, he plays a style and is happy with it - Benitez is a myth of a manager who plays worse football than Jose and has an aura of him being a world-class manager. Nope, not for me.

He isn't welcome in my opinion, and I probably will put a pin in it for the 8 months hell be employed at the club, because we will be up the creek without a paddle with him at the club.

Unfortunately, I don't even want to be proved wrong, not that I think I will.

I agree with you and it makes me more disillusioned with the club and the direction it's going in. It's an awful tone-deaf appointment and he is all about his ego he doesn't care about us and neither does the board by the looks of it. So maybe I haven't made my peace with it just decided I don't have the energy to fume as it will likely be short term anyway because as soon as he has a bad run what support and leeway will he have? It's a symptom of much deeper issues at the club when a man who knows very little about football usurps his director of football... Best to hope for the best and support the team regardless of him. But it's deeply uninspiring and dispiriting, when other clubs are romping away from us in terms of long term recruitment and identity while we go in circles looking for short term "name" fixes.

 

[Moomin]

Get ready for later @matty1878

 

[billyblue80]

Wonder what his reveal video will be like

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Niko Kovac. He's not in the Premier League. Emery. He's not in the Premier League. Any of the dozen or so managers that are in Germany that didn't jump on their merry-go-round. Or, I don't know, one of the 40 candidates that we supposedly said they wanted the job.

Going for Benitez is like marrying the first girl to bat their eyelashes at you even tho she's a guy with a detestable attitude. It's quite literally the dumbest choice the club could make.

Kovac is a good shout - I hope we at least talked to him.

Emery has just won a major European trophy and has two years left on his contract with Villareal so getting him would be a major problem and cost a fair bit in compo. He also bombed last time in the PL with Arsenal. So given all those factors I reckon he would be marked as high risk.

I think you need to look at the criteria that Moshiri and Usmanov have for a new manager. They have a lot of money tied up in the new stadium and also need to entice outside investment. Outside investment requires a low level of risk. So they are looking for stability both in financial terms and in keeping us in the PL and regularly challenging for European spots.

I think they would have talked to a lot of interested parties but dismissed many of them as carrying too much of a risk - having said that, Benitez and his baggage also present a risk. But they see that risk coming from the fanbase only -and as they don't give a toss about us, they see him as a good option.

 

[Papa Shango]

I have lots in my head, most of which others will scoff at, but when we end up with someone like benitez, then I don't understand that mentality

Potter
Frank - (Edit - This is Thomas Frank, not me splitting Frank Lampard into 2 seperate lines!)
Lampard
Favre
Ragnick
Emery
Kovac
Mancini

I have a very open mind on it really. I only have 2 real criteria....

1) Avoid any unnnecessarily divisive appointments which would create a bad atmosphere
2) Don't re-appoint someone who has previously been our manager - I don't think it's ever likely to work second time around.

The second one kind of merges into the first one anyway.

 

[navidson]

I don't like the Benitez appointment - but I'll get behind the club no matter what

It is a very strange decision by the board though - Not really sure what their thinking is

 

[jamieni]

There probably is something in that.

They may have concluded it just wasn't worth it. The "selling" club holds all of the aces and we would have been on dangerous ground making an indirect / illegal approach, after recent history.

Even if you get your man, it takes weeks in time spent + compensation. Not that compensation would have been a big issue for Potter, but Brighton or any other club for example, aren't ever going to hand over their manager without a fight, and who would blame them.

It doesn't appear to be as big an issue in Europe, but culturally as much as anything else, it's just frowned upon here. It's also a factor that other PL clubs don't seem to have as high an opinion of our status as we do. It isn't like Madrid approaching Ancelotti, they had all that sewn up before Everton would have been told.

They may have been warned about future penalties if they do it again after tapping up Silva. Seems to be they were very reluctant to approach Moyes without West Ham’s blessing despite him reportedly being on the list.

 

[4737carlin]

Wonder what his reveal video will be like

Well if it Rafael I reckon him in a blue pinny delivering some traditional Iranian food to Moshiri would be a good start, or out with EITC feeding the homeless in his waiters outfit.

 

[windymiller]

Wonder what his reveal video will be like

No idea but within 10 mins of being released some wag will have put a version of it on twitter dubbed with boos the minute FSWs face appears.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I don’t think Lampard would be the worst appointment tbh. Would need to be backed for a few seasons though.

I would have been very on board with it, but the general consensus was I am very much in the minority.

I think he did a really good job at Chelsea in year 1 - like a proper good achievement to get 4th with that squad.