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New Everton Manager

Next ex-Everton manager

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Revisionist writing that everything was brilliant under Moyes, well it wasn't. Id had a season ticket since the 70's and what i watched under him drove me away and i gave it up. I gave it up because of the crap his team was doing on the pitch, something just clicked and I'd had enough. I agree that he kept us in the league when we would likely have been relegated but that is as far as my thanks to him go. I never want to see that man ever in charge of us again and like someone said he's had one good year in the 8 since he left which happened to be the year that has been the strangest year for footy ever, it'll be interesting to see how well he does next season when the crowds are back.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
So we’ve gone from a blanket “we were dropping below 30k for games” to picking out ONE league game, immediately after Christmas, in the middle of the week, 18 months before he left (and when we averaged over 36k the following season)

Come on mate
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Go back to what i've said, highlighting that I corrected myself, but it was low 30's.

Even with Allardyce I can't remember the mood being low around the ground as through those spells. As I repeated just above, he overstayed his welcome, fans were bored, and it shows by having 6-7,000 a game who never turned up.

Am I bias, cause i can't stand the fella? Absolutely... but that doesn't change the fact that he's had 1 good season in 10 seasons since he's left Everton, been sacked 3 times, and had a relegation, yet we're all clamouring for him. It's mental.
 
Again I hope the club are letting the media speculate as a smoke screen whilst they approach their real targets. Nothing has come from the club and we can only hope it isnt any of the tripe we have been seeing....

AND to make it worse BFS on Talksport talking about Everton, making my ears bleed.......
 
twoblue said:
Away record v last seasons home record. Jeez. Imagine a packed Goodison watching the bottom half of the league turn us over all season.
Fact is, retrospectively, that Moyes would have been better than ancelotti last season. Unfortunately, myself included would have been thinking “ imagine if we got ancelotti though”
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I'm not disagreeing your post is as much a commentary on Ancelotti as it is on Moyes.

Regarding Moyes, we never really won when it mattered. I don't think players would overlook a guy who can't say he ever won at the RS, Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal in 11 years of trying as Everton manager. And that's before going to the likes of City and Spurs.

Sure we'd beat Burnley and Newcastle at home with ease, but after getting some demons off our back this year away, they would come straight back with Moyes.
 

Thomasc said:
4th x 1
5th x 2
6th x 2
You would bite a hand off for that now.
As for the football, the side he put together with Peinaar, Arteta, Yakubu, Cahill, Lescott, Baines, Jags etc wes the best side we’ve had in 25 years and played some great football.
The season he left when he finished 6th, we had enough quality which enabled Martinez to add 3 players to, which went on to have a cracking season.

I don’t want Moyes back, but let’s not dismiss and make up lies about his time here.
For balance, he had a couple of really bad seasons.
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All very good mate.

And I feel people are overlooking the fact that, I recognise Moyes did an amazing, amazing job with us. But he peaked, and then overstayed his welcome.

The years with Johnson, Yakubu, deserved silverware (which you can argue is a failure on his behalf). But it had peaked, and it became poor, and everyone should have some great memories of that era, but it shouldn't cloud their judgement of the passive football which followed. It was bleak and dour, and that could be for an array of reasons, but he was still there.

The last season was a kick on, but i can't help but feel it was because he was putting himself in the shop window.

I just don't think you go back, and certainly not for a man who's done nothing for 10 years except qualify for the Europa League once.
 
barneygumble said:
Go back to what i've said, highlighting that I corrected myself, but it was low 30's.

Even with Allardyce I can't remember the mood being low around the ground as through those spells. As I repeated just above, he overstayed his welcome, fans were bored, and it shows by having 6-7,000 a game who never turned up.

Am I bias, cause i can't stand the fella? Absolutely... but that doesn't change the fact that he's had 1 good season in 10 seasons since he's left Everton, been sacked 3 times, and had a relegation, yet we're all clamouring for him. It's mental.
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“We’re all clamouring for him”… we’re really, really not. 7.3% have picked him - and that’s assuming none are loveable lurkers.

And again, his last season was 36k, season before that was 33k, but season before THAT was higher again. Attendances fluctuated far more back then - the fact we were coming out of a massive economic crash probably contributed to that.

And the mood was absolutely NOT lower than under Allardyce. I’ve never known ANYTHING like that period under the gravy fetishist
 

brieverton said:
I'm not disagreeing your post is as much a commentary on Ancelotti as it is on Moyes.

Regarding Moyes, we never really won when it mattered. I don't think players would overlook a guy who can't say he ever won at the RS, Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal in 11 years of trying as Everton manager. And that's before going to the likes of City and Spurs.

Sure we'd beat Burnley and Newcastle at home with ease, but after getting some demons off our back this year away, they would come straight back with Moyes.
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This is an important point with some of the revisionism. I mean I am very pro Moyes, I think he did an excellent job here, but know I am in a minority in my outlook. The moment he walked back in people would be counting the years since he's won a trophy and starting at 11. It would be a lot of pressure. He would have all the baggage of the derby record too etc with very little of the patience the supporters showed.

I also don't think he has ever shown he can effectively manage a group a of players beyond the sort of 50-65 points bracket. He's very good at getting people there, but not sure he gets people beyond that. We have 59 points currently in the bag. The concern is he hits a glass ceiling exactly where we currently sit, and he doesn't have the credit in the bank of his st time where he took us from 17th or whatever to get there.

I reiterate though I like Moyes and I think he plays much better football than people give him credit for. West Ham this season have been brilliant with 3 or 4 attacking tricky players in the team at once. If we were going that route I'd prefer Rangnick myself.
 
Forget moyes. Not only will he be staying (and deservedly so) at west ham but we have literally just given a director of football a new contract, have people completely forgotten this ??
 
barneygumble said:
Go back to what i've said, highlighting that I corrected myself, but it was low 30's.

Even with Allardyce I can't remember the mood being low around the ground as through those spells. As I repeated just above, he overstayed his welcome, fans were bored, and it shows by having 6-7,000 a game who never turned up.

Am I bias, cause i can't stand the fella? Absolutely... but that doesn't change the fact that he's had 1 good season in 10 seasons since he's left Everton, been sacked 3 times, and had a relegation, yet we're all clamouring for him. It's mental.
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I'm not sure thats true mate. Without checking I seem to remember we averaged low mid 30's before he came, and he drove those attendances up to pretty much selling out every week.
 
barneygumble said:
All very good mate.

And I feel people are overlooking the fact that, I recognise Moyes did an amazing, amazing job with us. But he peaked, and then overstayed his welcome.

The years with Johnson, Yakubu, deserved silverware (which you can argue is a failure on his behalf). But it had peaked, and it became poor, and everyone should have some great memories of that era, but it shouldn't cloud their judgement of the passive football which followed. It was bleak and dour, and that could be for an array of reasons, but he was still there.

The last season was a kick on, but i can't help but feel it was because he was putting himself in the shop window.

I just don't think you go back, and certainly not for a man who's done nothing for 10 years except qualify for the Europa League once.
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I totally agree with you, most managers who go back fail.
 

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