New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Eggs]

It’s well known that Moyes wants to handle recruitment personally and feels that if a DOF handles it instead, then the DOF should be held accountable.

….so maybe that’s the solution until Thelwell’s contract expires in the summer.

I don’t get that the DOF is the Managers ‘boss’. I’d be surprised if any DOF earns more than the Manager at PL level and it’s the owners who weild the axe if that call needs to be made.

 

[Evo2901]

Can definitely see these moving Moyes upstairs either as DoF or in some sort of recruitment consultant role within the next two years. Think this quote from the press release says a lot about how much they’ll value his input:

“We look forward to working with David to build the foundation of a new era for Everton.”

 

[Librarian]

I don't think you are. There may be a few who'll do it in private or when the dust settles, but I suspect most of us weren't getting the aura of a happy camp.

I can't imagine many of them were enjoying the football and the pressure/focus said style brought to them.

I don’t think it’s all that necessary for players to like the manager all the time or for everyone to like each other, in successful teams there’s always lots of friction and flair ups because they’re all exacting individuals.

I remember listening to John Giles talking about that and saying it was the case at Leeds when they were successful.

It’s more important to respect the manger’s position and authority but that’s hard at a club where the players tend to outlast the coaching staff and in recent weeks the feeling of desperation and blame was creeping into Dyches interviews, everyone knew he was at best going to leave in the summer.

 

[hallamblue]

….so maybe that’s the solution until Thelwell’s contract expires in the summer.

I don’t get that the DOF is the Managers ‘boss’. I’d be surprised if any DOF earns more than the Manager at PL level and it’s the owners who weild the axe if that call needs to be made.

Do you think Slot earns more than Salah? The DOF is the top job on the football side, and the manager or head coach is below them. This model is designed to add stability as head coaches tend to change a lot but well run clubs have an identity which runs through their DOF. It's not a model we've operated with because we're behind the curve, but it's definitely the way forward.

 

[vintage-toffees]

Tough gig taking over when they did
Tougher gig making your first major decision
When it comes up in your first month
Shows they have the minerals for this club
Wasn’t a fan of moyes at the end and knew we needed change as a club
One thing about moyes and his teams they had fight and spirit and came across as a team that had identity even if it was only best of the rest an all that
For most of the last decade we have been a group of individuals some massively talented some woeful never really team

Well done the Friedkins they know moyes will give us an identity and them the breathing space to find a proper manager as his replacement instead of panicking and jumping into rash choices

 

[PhilM]

I don’t think it’s all that necessary for players to like the manager all the time or for everyone to like each other, in successful teams there’s always lots of friction and flair ups because they’re all exacting individuals.

I remember listening to John Giles talking about that and saying it was the case at Leeds when they were successful.

It’s more important to respect the manger’s position and authority but that’s hard at a club where the players tend to outlast the coaching staff and in recent weeks the feeling of desperation and blame was creeping into Dyches interviews, everyone knew he was at best going to leave in the summer.

Mate, I completely agree. I'm not expecting everyone to best friends, nor is it always going to be a gleeful ship, and the uncertainty of the future won't have helped.

Nevertheless, the point I was trying to make is that to buy into leadership, you have to know the mission and believe in the collected vision and values.

Simply, you have to as a collective trust them and what they stand for, even if that means on a personal level you don't particularly like them or others in the group.

That's what I feel is lacking; I can't see the squad trusting how Dyche conducted himself and the football he was playing, and importantly how he'd want us to play.

He kept talking about needing goals and whatnot, although was there a belief in him and his staff to turn it around. If it wasn't, which I believe, it's all undone.

 

[stamullenblue]

It’s well known that Moyes wants to handle recruitment personally and feels that if a DOF handles it instead, then the DOF should be held accountable.

He may be right. Not much point DOF picking players and the manager refuses to play them !

 

[Eggs]

Do you think Slot earns more than Salah? The DOF is the top job on the football side, and the manager or head coach is below them. This model is designed to add stability as head coaches tend to change a lot but well run clubs have an identity which runs through their DOF. It's not a model we've operated with because we're behind the curve, but it's definitely the way forward.

….good point. I suppose it’s lots to do with the Manager/Dof relationship. It’s ideal if they’re on the same page and work together, we’ve had the crazy situation of Smith & Koeman pulling in different directions, the diplomacy of Brands and apparent harmony with Silva to the complete Brands/Benitez breakdown.

Where the power lies on transfers (in and out), player contracts etc is the interesting dynamic. I can assume that could differ from club to club.

On your Salah point, I distinctly recall Klopp saying he wasn’t keen on signing him and was forever thankful he was overruled on that particular deal.

 

[CielosGrises]

….so maybe that’s the solution until Thelwell’s contract expires in the summer.

I don’t get that the DOF is the Managers ‘boss’. I’d be surprised if any DOF earns more than the Manager at PL level and it’s the owners who weild the axe if that call needs to be made.

Agree - this idea that a DOF relegates a football manager to middle management is very corporate - but I'm not sure it makes sense.

You'd imagine Pep and Ancelotti are consulted by their DOF.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

Done a good job of leaking just the right sort of info around Dyche’s last few days so that he can’t waltz off with moral high ground to go with his bag of cash. Don’t mind that.

 

[PhilM]

Done a good job of leaking just the right sort of info around Dyche’s last few days so that he can’t waltz off with moral high ground to go with his bag of cash. Don’t mind that.

I think this is an important avenue taken by the club.

I get the point of view of the club being respectful and holding the moral high ground, I really do, but the Dyche narrative in the media has been particularly odd.

He's been defended regularly, and even after this sacking the message was pro-Dyche, even with the wealth of statistics that show we've been heading for disaster.

How many other managers would be defended with a decreasing points-per-game ratio, reduced shots on target and abysmal goals per game statistics?

I wonder if him being one of the few English managers in the PL played a part in this defenc of him.

 

[mahermi1]

I think this is an important avenue taken by the club.

I get the point of view of the club being respectful and holding the moral high ground, I really do, but the Dyche narrative in the media has been particularly odd.

He's been defended regularly, and even after this sacking the message was pro-Dyche, even with the wealth of statistics that show we've been heading for disaster.

How many other managers would be defended with a decreasing points-per-game ratio, reduced shots on target and abysmal goals per game statistics?

I wonder if him being one of the few English managers in the PL played a part in this defenc of him.

Definitely like Bill was one of the last British Owners, he became like a national treasure to our press, you dare not critisise him.
Dyche's statistics this season have been diabolical, but laughably we as a club have still been wrong to sack him. Expect the same narrative if the same thing happens to Moyes in a few Seasons.

 

[Drico]

Can definitely see these moving Moyes upstairs either as DoF or in some sort of recruitment consultant role within the next two years. Think this quote from the press release says a lot about how much they’ll value his input:

“We look forward to working with David to build the foundation of a new era for Everton.”

This would, actually, make sense. This is the only way I would use Moyes. I see great value in his knowledge, his ability to build a structure, and spot players. I see no value in his risk-averse approach with good sides away at better sides. I see limited value in his style of play.

Thelwell has no role at the club as Moyes is back as manager. Moyes will dictate from here. Thelwell is, effectively, on gardening leave as he will not be renewed. Moyes would be a replacement with authority who could reset the club's values. He ticks a lot of boxes. One of the boxes he does not tick is bravery/fantasy. We need a coach to do that, to set the tactics, instil belief in players that they can win anywhere, and set a style of play that's pleasing and modern.

 

[hallamblue]

….good point. I suppose it’s lots to do with the Manager/Dof relationship. It’s ideal if they’re on the same page and work together, we’ve had the crazy situation of Smith & Koeman pulling in different directions, the diplomacy of Brands and apparent harmony with Silva to the complete Brands/Benitez breakdown.

Where the power lies on transfers (in and out), player contracts etc is the interesting dynamic. I can assume that could differ from club to club.

On your Salah point, I distinctly recall Klopp saying he wasn’t keen on signing him and was forever thankful he was overruled on that particular deal.

My point on Salah was just to point out that who earns most is immaterial in football.

 

[Groucho]

Nope, only one who did was Keane.

Said to a few on here in private, but Dyche was very much not liked by a large part of the squad including a few names that would surprise you.

Ooh do tell!!!

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Nudes optional.