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New Everton Stadium

Jacko93 said:
Now we have the docks, I would expect the Chinese will be less and less interested in them. Huge parts of the Liverpool Waters scheme will be funded by Chinese investment. Its no coincidence we are twinned with Shanghai. They are a huge football club yes, but with us being at the forefront of a skyline that the Chinese adore and will be affecting to an extent, I feel that we can become more synonymous with the city than them in the long run. We must become successful though, and soon. We need to be moving into that stadium on the back of a some success, no matter how small the success is perceived to be, Milk cup, or FA cup, whatever, just something.
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Unfortunately the Chinese love that colour so unless we are willing to do a Cardiff I can't see us ever being big over there.
 
davek said:
Cost benefit wise, I'm not sure they can gain that much more from another 6,000 seats, tbh. I think they're readying to sell up and leave, and a stadium of 54,000 capacity when Champions League football and its riches are on flow is not going to deter many buyers. It'd be a greater capacity than Juventus, for example.
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Yes there is every possibility. Why get into a public feud with the fans though? Strikes me as having more of a long term vision? Also for venture capitalists LFC will be a useful holding and they can suck money out of the club.
 

Jacko93 said:
My take on it is that Moshiri can see improvement in Everton. He can see where he can take us and is willing to invest in that and lay down his reputation in convincing others to invest in us. Those lot can't see anything getting any better and are no longer willing to throw good money at bad debt. They're done as owners in my opinion. They just don't have the stomach for it anymore. The most telling part is that FSG would not know LFC existed if they were up for sale at the price the market would've dictated under no effective administration circumstances.
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I think this is an astute post. There is much laughter and derision towards Moshiri but in trying to get a ground on the docks he has already shown more ambition and vision than FSG have in 5 years (or in honesty more than any Everton owner in decades).

We have become programmed to view ourselves as a small club. Yet there is much unique about Everton, founded members of the PL, the biggest football city in Britain's first football club, one of the early title winners, 4th most league titles etc etc. That alongside a solid base has been cultivated within the City which puts us on a solid footing moving forward. As potential money and investment is diverted away from London there is a unique story there and I feel Moshiri feels he can develop that.

FSG I think have/had a very different vision for LFC. As a brand I would say they are both a cut above EFC but also performing to their optimum. Demographic difficulties are beginning to hit them, as no title for 26 years means some of their original supporters are beginning to decline/die off. Their unwillingness to invest in pricing that allows locals to access Anfield will have heightened this. I think this underpins some of the reasons why they are currently not selling out their ground.

I suspect FSG saw an opportunity to have a trophy investment with a bit of work and could then sit back ah la Kroenke and reap the rewards. Some are convinced they will sell. I just can't see it. Even if someone offers 1 billion, they can milk the gravy train of LFC forevermore and benefit from the inevitable inflation which will rise it's value over the next 20 years. It is also a good investment to have in their portfolio to go alongside the Red Sox. I think they may begin to look like Kroenke at Arsenal, happy to sit and let the investment appreciate without throwing money at it. Not the worst by any stretch but certainly not what Liverpool fans expect.
 
catcherintherye said:
Yes there is every possibility. Why get into a public feud with the fans though? Strikes me as having more of a long term vision? Also for venture capitalists LFC will be a useful holding and they can suck money out of the club.
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If that is the case it suggests to me they now have a buyer in the pipeline and that those fans will be someone else's problem shortly, so why pander to them? That must be their thinking.
 

peteblue said:
Depends on the price though.....
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They'll ask a cool billion...and get very near it, imo.

They are still a huge draw because of the media interest (mostly from people who populate the positions of power in the media who grew up when LFC were a force and they cant quite get their heads around the fact they haven't been for decades and shouldn't get the exposure...which is almost solely responsible for their large global fan-base).
 
Jacko93 said:
Now we have the docks, I would expect the Chinese will be less and less interested in them. Huge parts of the Liverpool Waters scheme will be funded by Chinese investment. Its no coincidence we are twinned with Shanghai. They are a huge football club yes, but with us being at the forefront of a skyline that the Chinese adore and will be affecting to an extent, I feel that we can become more synonymous with the city than them in the long run. We must become successful though, and soon. We need to be moving into that stadium on the back of a some success, no matter how small the success is perceived to be, Milk cup, or FA cup, whatever, just something.
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who told you that?,99.9% of Chinese people have never heard of the river Mersey.
iv spent time in hong kong and the mainland.
 
brieverton said:
Yes, this seems like a retaliatory measure for the forced climbdown in February and is just a ploy to manage the gradual acceptance of more expensive pricing. There is no way they would tolerate a 54k Anfield if we are in the process of building a shiny new 60k stadium on the docks. Ultimately, even though it sounds crazy after their expansion, I still think they'll rebuild and move in the next 2 decades.

From an Evertonian viewpoint, I hope that FSG are there for the long-haul though. They always come up smelling of roses and another buyout there would probably emanate from a much bigger force, the Chinese have been mentioned for example, and that can't ever be good for us.
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Good points that mate. However the two things you say contradict each other, namely FSG will want to continue to re-build and FSG want to sell. If you are looking to sell then you don't want to throw masses of money at the issue.

I agree with you and hope FSG stay. I can see them being equivalent of Arsenal's current board. Competent but unspectacular, though I doubt in lieu of a Wenger figure whether they would have such success. LFC are both a very enticing prospect but also in other ways and perhaps because of this a poor investment. The value they hold to FSG mean they will probably be priced in an uncompetitive manner for investors.

For FSG it is a very worthwhile asset to have in the portfolio. Remember these people are venture capitalists. It looks great in any pack you show to investors. Americans are very fond of the City of Liverpool and the Beatles and with football looking set to grow increasingly over their keeping a PL club would be important. Add onto this with the money coming into the game clubs will have money sloshing around, PL clubs value will continue to rise and if a Super League ever came up LFC would likely be invited you can see why they would sit on the asset. They can essentially use it to raise profile in America, help with other investments, draw money out of it and have the asset grow.

I would imagine any takeover cost would be at least 1 billion to even perk their interest. When you consider as you have said, that in all likelihood to make LFC a global super power with a stadium that would be outside of the top 6 in the country would mean either rebuilding Anfield from scratch or alternatively relocating to a better location. The values involved in doing this, before you have even got to spending on the squad would be close to 2 billion. That is a lot of money to throw at something. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it would be very bad business. It rules out an Abramovic level of investor and means only a Sheikh. If you look what they paid for City and spent it is well under half that figure (including on players). I would imagine an Asset like Inter Milan, or Juventus who are far cheaper would be a more astute investment.

There's a lot spoken about Chinese investment, but I've yet to see them take over a club and materially improve it. Aston Villa, Wolves for example there was big talk but little has been done to back that up. We'll see. I think FSG will sit on their lot and are looking to break the fan base to accept higher prices. It's about more than this though, FSG are basically saying the club belongs to them, and the legions of foreign/OOT wealthier supporters and not the community the club is based in.
 
davek said:
They'll ask a cool billion...and get very near it, imo.

They are still a huge draw because of the media interest (mostly from people who populate the positions of power in the media who grew up when LFC were a force and they cant quite get their heads around the fact they haven't been for decades and shouldn't get the exposure...which is almost solely responsible for their large global fan-base).
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I travelled up for the Spurs game at the start of the season and my friend parked up in the streets surrounding Anfield. Outside the stadium there were groups of Orientals (students, tourists?) taking selfies with the ground behind them. On a day when Liverpool weren't even playing and had they been would have been away. Still a lot of work to be done for the cult to unwind properly.
 
davek said:
If that is the case it suggests to me they now have a buyer in the pipeline and that those fans will be someone else's problem shortly, so why pander to them? That must be their thinking.
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Well maybe, but you would just say nothing. Fan discontent would only drive the price down, as would the idea that further expansion is not viable. As a sales pitch I would say that would be a very poor one.

This strikes me more as an attempt to try and force the fanbase into submission and accept higher price rises under their own ownership.
 

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