New Everton Stadium

[KUEFC09U2]

i believe the mosh has said he wants a new stadium, he will either build one or sell his shares. Starting to think it will be the latter.

lol ask your friend at FF mate

 

[TheFinnFan]

I think you've just made some stuff up there mate

Like what

 

[Jacko93]

The design doesn't need to be completed before construction starts. On most construction projects (residential anyway, although I don't see why it'd be any different) elements of the design are developed and changed during the construction process.

Obviously the concept, substructure and most of the superstructure will need to be designed before construction starts, but things like M&E often develop as the process goes on.

I can't see work starting in July 2017, though.

I'd disagree with that. Residential is completely different to industrial. the design needs to be fully qualified and approved/verified before they hit site. You do get changes while on site but these would be considered change requests and would be at a cost, as GMP (guaranteed Maximum Price) is agreed after developed design (Stage 3 but sometimes runs to Stage 4a after contractor involvement).

 

[Baines' left foot]

I'd disagree with that. Residential is completely different to industrial. the design needs to be fully qualified and approved/verified before they hit site. You do get changes while on site but these would be considered change requests and would be at a cost, as GMP (guaranteed Maximum Price) is agreed after developed design (Stage 3 but sometimes runs to Stage 4a after contractor involvement).

Fair enough, you obviously know more about this sector that I do.

I'd like to get involved in projects such as stadiums. Residential can be a bit samey.

 

[ggooggooggoo]

Well then you'll have to wait until there's something tangible to announce I'm afraid!

Or he sells like i said

 

[RobSpurs]

I'd disagree with that. Residential is completely different to industrial. the design needs to be fully qualified and approved/verified before they hit site. You do get changes while on site but these would be considered change requests and would be at a cost, as GMP (guaranteed Maximum Price) is agreed after developed design (Stage 3 but sometimes runs to Stage 4a after contractor involvement).

The basic structure will be pretty much set in stone but you could get away with changing more superficial things like cladding halfway through a build. I know with our new stadium the floodlight design still isn't set in stone (they're still deciding between two different ideas, one with normal roof floodlights, another with a futuristic halo thing).

Interesting tweets from Mr Meis yesterday, particularly when someone picked up on his use of the word "bowl". It'd be odd not to utilise the corners for capacity, especially since on the dock site an open stadium would be terrible for wind currents. It'd just inefficient wasted space otherwise. So I think the seating will be mostly contiguous. If I'm right with this guess, it's just a matter of how tight, steep and close he can make it, and if I'm right some will probably call it a "bowl" and others won't. That's just my hunch though.

 

[Paulie]

Maybe fill the corners with corporate boxing which could be removed at a later date to add capacity if needed.

 

[Jacko93]

The basic structure will be pretty much set in stone but you could get away with changing more superficial things like cladding halfway through a build. I know with our new stadium the floodlight design still isn't set in stone (they're still deciding between two different ideas, one with normal roof floodlights, another with a futuristic halo thing).

Interesting tweets from Mr Meis yesterday, particularly when someone picked up on his use of the word "bowl". It'd be odd not to utilise the corners for capacity, especially since on the dock site an open stadium would be terrible for wind currents. It'd just inefficient wasted space otherwise. So I think the seating will be mostly contiguous. If I'm right with this guess, it's just a matter of how tight, steep and close he can make it, and if I'm right some will probably call it a "bowl" and others won't. That's just my hunch though.

The seating 'bowl' is just a generic term for seating, can be any shape/form.

What can be changed will be dependent on what it affects. Cladding can be an important part of the design due to its thermal properties, so if the form is changed, then it will have to be to a similar spec as the original, otherwise it can effect the MEP design and lead to increases in kit sizes/cost/inefficiencies. However, there may be a bit of Value Engineering (VE), in which they change things to reduce costs. This way the contractor will receive on average approx 10% of any savings made. So pretty much any major changes you see on your ground now will be because they are cheaper. I wouldn't consider the flood-lighting solution to be a major change though, as they will both require support, and will both require an electrical connection, they're the pricey bits with regards changes.

 

[Titus Bramble]

Like what

Saying there won't be anything announced. You don't know this

 

[Big Neville Southall]

So the word steep was brought up by Dan Meis. The main reason why the Gwladys Street is a better atmosphere than the new Park End for example is because it is shallower and fans are closer together. Shallowness also encourages more standing so you get more of a terrace feel.

I understand it's not for everyone so I'm talking End Stands only, and that sightlines do have to be an improvement on the Gwladys St but to purposely go steep anyway rather than hitting your targets for sightlines will just be unnecessary and affect the atmosphere.

He should have had his ticket at the back of the Street End.

Steeper it is also restricts your potential for expansion though there's a good chance that it will not be able to expand anyway.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

So the word steep was brought up by Dan Meis. The main reason why the Gwladys Street is a better atmosphere than the new Park End for example is because it is shallower and fans are closer together. Shallowness also encourages more standing so you get more of a terrace feel.

I understand it's not for everyone so I'm talking End Stands only, and that sightlines do have to be an improvement on the Gwladys St but to purposely go steep anyway rather than hitting your targets for sightlines will just be unnecessary and affect the atmosphere.

He should have had his ticket at the back of the Street End.

Steeper it is also restricts your potential for expansion though there's a good chance that it will not be able to expand anyway.

The GSE was once a terrace whereas the PES, in its current form, never was. So hard to make direct comparisons about atmosphere etc.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Baldynut]

We need a team that intimidates the opposition first

 

[Big Neville Southall]

The GSE was once a terrace whereas the PES, in its current form, never was. So hard to make direct comparisons about atmosphere etc.

I know, but I disagree that you cannot (hard to) make comparisons. One shows that a shallower rake encourages more standing whereas as a steeper rake shows that you stand less. Fans closer together creates a better atmosphere, further apart doesn't. Combine that with examples around the country and it all follows suit.

I know it's not the only consideration for a stand, and there are restrictions they have to adhere to for sightlines but I used them as examples that we can relate to.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Saying there won't be anything announced. You don't know this

Yes I do. I have sources inside, but Im protecting my source very carefully.