Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
In fact, the real truth is that, nothing has put a stop to the project. It is continuing in earnest.
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In fact, the real truth is that, nothing has put a stop to the project. It is continuing in earnest.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
How can they do any of that detailed work when they don't even have any feedback on what size capacity and what design it'll be...all of which was to be based on the "consultation stage" we were informed would be put in motion but doesnt seem to have been carried out....unless you or others have been contacted by the club like?
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
I think the past has made you needy for want of a better word. I understand where you are coming from, we have all been burnt before. We however didn't have a pot to pee in previously, therefore we were at the mercy of others to whether these projects succeeded or not. As @roydo keeps saying, there is far too much money potential for it not to happen. Farhad could just get the stadium built and sell us to double his money should he so wish.
They said planning application by the end of the year, so that is the only gauge we have whether it is on track. There is probably a lot of meaningless to and throwing regarding how many toilets or the material of the roof, all that stuff could take months but of little value to be put out in the public domain but could alter how the final stadium looks. I doubt there are any hold ups just a linear progression that might not be as quick as we want.
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
I have filled out a questionnaire, yes, as have many other STH.
You assume however that any fan consultation will affect stadium form. I would expect any further widespread fan consultation to be based on items that are less formative to the base design, more over fit-out, fan facing items, Maybe the fan walk etc. I dunno....
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I don't know what the questions you were asked were about but I'd be staggered if they didn't include questions about capacity and what the interior and exterior should look like. And if they have how can the responses not affect stadium form? What would be the point of asking for responses along those lines?
I can only think I've misunderstood your reply.
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
I dont remember anything about capacity, but I could be wrong. There were questions along the lines of, what's your favourite thing about Goodison. What is your favourite away ground etc.
The capacity of the stadium is driven by much more than what the fans want, it's cost, it's spacial planning, feasability. The exterior is driven mainly by th architect's vision, the surrounding environment. Much of the interior and roof shape is driven by a huge range of things, including, but clearly not exclusive too, the atmosphere you want to create. Basically the form will be decided now, until December, they'll be making that work financially, environmentally, the services, and transport information.
I think that if a questionnaire went out now, talking about capacities, I think that most would agree on a number as being sensible, I would also expect that number to be around 60k. We just have to trust the Architect and the teams working on it. I know you have your misgivings over certain aspects, and many of them I can understand, certainly with past failures of the club. With the likes of KD and DK We saw the early renders, but the truth is they weren't even 10% down the line of what this stadium is. We are likely past the stage where the RS were with Stanley park.
Rudolf Hucker
Player Valuation: £30m
Boring??? Have you seen Koeman's football?
In fact, you've given me an idea. Next game I'm just going to stare at the paintwork, look for any signs of cathodic dispondment.
BunnerJnr
Player Valuation: £500k
Haha how is it none of our business? That poster should be working for Robert Elstone!
BunnerJnr
Player Valuation: £500k
Evertons PR has always been p1ss poor. It did improve tremendously when Alan Myers came back. Somebody at Everton soon put a stop to that though. I get the impression that Castleford Bob & his minions despise the Everton fan base. We have have had next to no information from club on stadium plans from the get go.
The club is still being run like a lower ranking Rugby League team off the pitch.
The club is still being run like a lower ranking Rugby League team off the pitch.
Big Neville Southall
Player Valuation: £8m
The stadium was basics were designed before the fan consultation. They then pick out the answers that matches their basic design to back them up. There may be the odd minor detail that comes up that would be easy to fit but the main things were sorted before the consultation.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
What a pointless exercise that was then: asking fans about abstract stuff like atmosphere, what away grounds they like, do they support the use of walkways etc. What sort of input can that 'consultation' bring about? Nothing instructive on the major decisions to be made, that's for sure. A box ticking exercise. In which case, there really is even less reason for these people to delay releasing some vision they have for a stadium well before now, because if they're unencumbered by fan ideas concerning a vision for the stadium then their presentation of some sort of image for this dockland stadium should have been with us by now. What are they waiting for in that respect? I see no reason to delay.
The KD scheme in the first 12 months carried out fan consultation and secured a majority vote, achieved preferred bidder status for the site, got the OK from the relevant authorities such as LiverpoolVision and English Partnerships to build, obtained verification of the bid from the Dept of Transport, Land Generation and Regions, set up the KD Waterfront Development Co. to see the scheme to competition, appointed a construction company to build the stadium and develop the site. We appear to still be at the stage of consultation data sifting. Some might say that's getting on for being tardy...to put it mildly.
What information would you expect?
MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
I would imagine if Usmanov is involved then all of what has happened wrt BMD will have been done in consultation or under his direction. Billionaires tend to have long term visions and the shenanigans at Arse recently wouldn't matter either way.
To be perfectly honest I'm glad we haven't gone down a ridiculous fan micro-managed route. The architect and club know the footprint and the desired capacity and will have been working on it. Open everything up to Evertonians and you'd have a majority asking for blue 'towers' (the badge has never been a tower) in each corner and the place would end up looking like some twisted Toffeeland theme park. Let the professionals do their thing, let Evertonians dictate the feel and evocative nature of the place as many on here have said.
Things were better under AM but he felt to me more of a fan laision officer or additional social media outlet. I think that fan engagement was great but what was wrong was that it didn't form part of a wider, more professional, PR structure and that is something we are still lacking today. The ludicrous Jim White tie-in, especially with that radio station, are embarrassing at best. Huge improvements needed in that dept.
RobSpurs
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I'd be surprised if they asked direct questions about capacity. I obviously don't know what Jacko has filled out, but when we had surveys from Spurs the questions seemed designed to inform a decision on capacity, but nothing about capacity was ever asked...
e.g. how often do you come to matches, how much more often would you come if a/b/c
how much would you spend on a seat in x/y/z area of the stadum
would you be interested in x/y/z in the stadium
The club obviously then collated the answers and came to a decision about what capacity was needed, ratio of GA to corporate, basic pricing models etc. Not sure you'd get a good decision if you just asked every fan what they think the capacity should be.
I don't think we were ever asked much about how things should look either, but after feedback years ago the single-tier home end was added.
Moshiri might work in a different way to Spurs/Levy, but that's the kind of feedback we were asked for fwiw.
