New Everton Stadium

[MickA]

And I still say redevoping GP is not workable!

How is building a new stadium any more workable? We couldn't raise the £78m needed for a flat pack shed in Kirkby.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

What part of the main stand would you in theory be lining it up with? I take it because you've talked about moving the pitch towards the Park End its towards Stanley Park? Therefore you're losing a lot of seating in both the Main stand, Glwadys St and the Bullens Rd if you simply try and move the Glwadys street forward as you've proposed.

Mate please look at the main stand and re-read my post. The main stand was originally built to accomodate this plan. Thats why it overshoots the pitch at the Park End and was tucked behind the old Park End stand

You've also got the added factor of merging the two separate stands of varying heights and restrictions with two brand new stands at either end. The varying heights would be impossible to merge in any sort of aesthetically pleasing way that any sort of architect would be proud of.

Varying heights and stands of different designs was the norm in pretty much every stadium in this country. Its what gives places like Goodison and Villa park a unique feel that *none* of the new soulless bowl stadiums have,

The idea that you could simply marry the new Park End stand into the Bullens rd Stand is ridiculious.

Its not ridiculous. Its been done loads of times before. Bristol city are doing something similar as we speak.

Goodison would end up looking like something a 6 year old had built with Lego, with no clear concept and simply mix and match as it goes along. It would look awful and would take a long time whilst depriving the club of finances from attendences and matchday revenue. It's a terrible idea.

As I've said before every classic stadium in the country has this mix of different stands.

Do you have any building experience or knowledge ?

No. As I've said about 3 times already in this thread and the thread I linked to I am summarising one of various different plans drawn up by an architect. There are actually many other ideas but I haven't got the time to replicate them here. The main reason I am doing so is a reaction to people perpetuating the myth that it isn't possible to re-develop.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Mate please look at the main stand and re-read my post. The main stand was originally built to accomodate this plan. Thats why it overshoots the pitch at the Park End and was tucked behind the old Park End stand



Varying heights and stands of different designs was the norm in pretty much every stadium in this country. Its what gives places like Goodison and Villa park a unique feel that *none* of the new soulless bowl stadiums have,




Its not ridiculous. Its been done loads of times before. Bristol city are doing something similar as we speak.



As I've said before every classic stadium in the country has this mix of different stands.



No. As I've said about 3 times already in this thread and the thread I linked to I am summarising one of various different plans drawn up by an architect. There are actually many other ideas but I haven't got the time to replicate them here. The main reason I am doing so is a reaction to people perpetuating the myth that it isn't possible to re-develop.

Here's the StubHub seating plan for Goodison (it's a better angle than the clubs one).

Now explain how we're not going to lose seating from the Main stand, Bullens and Glwadys St by moving the pitch in line with the edge of the Main Stand at the Park End and moving the Glwadys forward towards the pitch?

I'd also be interested to know what we do with the corner of the Main Stand and Park End?

 

[MickA]

The pitch is moved forwards so the goal-line is level with the stand as per the original plan. A new St End then has this extra space to be built into.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

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Here's the StubHub seating plan for Goodison (it's a better angle than the clubs one).

Now explain how we're not going to lose seating from the Main stand, Bullens and Glwadys St by moving the pitch in line with the edge of the Main Stand at the Park End and moving the Glwadys forward towards the pitch?

I'd also be interested to know what we do with the corner of the Main Stand and Park End?

Mate sorry that picture you posted is absolutely useless because it doesn't bare any relation to how the stands line up in real life.

For one last time the main stand is not currently in line with the pitch and the idea is to move the pitch so it is.

Either look at a photograph or have a look next time you are at Goodison.

edit: I've just seen the photo MickA has posted. This should help you.

 

[GraemeS1980]

I haven't read all this thread but I did read all the updates from the presentation, one fundamental thing that stood out clearly to me was Over the last 10 years Everton have only grown their non media revenue by 0.5% a year. How on Earth can this statistic go unnoticed it is an atrocity that any area of business can only grow by 0.5% per year, the targets are either not high enough or the people in charge of these areas are not good enough.

 

[Woolly Blue]

We could play at Wigan and roberto can take us down as well and the wolly backs won't have far too travel ..

Woolly's got two o's ffs.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Mate sorry that picture you posted is absolutely useless because it doesn't bare any relation to how the stands line up in real life.

For one last time the main stand is not currently in line with the pitch and the idea is to move the pitch so it is.

Either look at a photograph or have a look next time you are at Goodison.

edit: I've just seen the photo MickA has posted. This should help you.

So to move the pitch 5-10 yards further forward alter all 4 stands we'd get what? A bigger Park End stand and an upgraded Glwadys Stand? Not really achieving much that for all the work and cost is it?

We'd still only slight increase the corporate facilities (we currently don't sell our limited ones out as it is) and maybe increase the attendance for the cost of £Xm's ?? But then there's also be a significant period when demolition/construction was underway that we'd be losing potential revenue, periods were we'd be roughly 25% below current levels. So before it's even started to pay for itself we'd have to recoup the lost revenue during construction.

It's no feasible for many many reasons but on a financial reason alone it's a none starter.

 

[Woolly Blue]

The shareholders thread has pretty much turned into a discussion on the new stadium so I've merged it accordingly and added one of those threadmark things that no-one probably ever notices.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

So to move the pitch 5-10 yards further forward alter all 4 stands we'd get what? A bigger Park End stand and an upgraded Glwadys Stand? Not really achieving much that for all the work and cost is it?

We'd still only slight increase the corporate facilities (we currently don't sell our limited ones out as it is) and maybe increase the attendance for the cost of £Xm's ?? But then there's also be a significant period when demolition/construction was underway that we'd be losing potential revenue, periods were we'd be roughly 25% below current levels. So before it's even started to pay for itself we'd have to recoup the lost revenue during construction.

It's no feasible for many many reasons but on a financial reason alone it's a none starter.

Sorry mate I'm starting to lose patience now. You've missed out on half the new features we get. Please re-read the original post.

..................Ok sod it I'll help you out.

We get a reconfigured Main Stand with no obstructed views and a whole new row of executive/corporate boxes.

We get HUGE Park End Stand which can literally be as big as we want it to be with an executive/corporate tier.

And we get a new Street End stand (common opinion would probably be to not have any boxes in this stand).

Thats 3 out of the 4 stands.

And its worth remembering that just building a massive new Park End Stand would probably give us everything we need in the short term.

And I'll say it one more time. This is just one set of ideas. There are many other ones (eg turning the lower bullens into boxes). The point is that re-development is possible.

 

[tim gabbott]

Woolly's got two o's ffs.

Not if you went too my school mate

 

[Huyton Layne]

Think these google earth pics help show the pitch relative to the main stand.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Sorry mate I'm starting to lose patience now. You've missed out on half the new features we get. Please re-read the original post.

..................Ok sod it I'll help you out.

We get a reconfigured Main Stand with no obstructed views and a whole new row of executive/corporate boxes.

We get HUGE Park End Stand which can literally be as big as we want it to be with an executive/corporate tier.

And we get a new Street End stand (common opinion would probably be to not have any boxes in this stand).

Thats 3 out of the 4 stands.

And its worth remembering that just building a massive new Park End Stand would probably give us everything we need in the short term.

And I'll say it one more time. This is just one set of ideas. There are many other ones (eg turning the lower bullens into boxes). The point is that re-development is possible.

Calm down pal no need to lose patience.

Do you have these plans? Because there's no way this is feasible without altering significantly the two stands that you've suggested earlier, and considering the work you're suggesting it would seem easier and more beneficial to knock these down as well and start a fresh. Which leads us back to feasibility, affordability and practicality.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Calm down pal no need to lose patience.

Ok cool. I'm calm again

Do you have these plans? Because there's no way this is feasible without altering significantly the two stands that you've suggested earlier, and considering the work you're suggesting it would seem easier and more beneficial to knock these down as well and start a fresh. Which leads us back to feasibility, affordability and practicality.

I think the idea with the Main Stand is that it is already a massive structure and all we need to do is reconfigure it to suit our purposes. This would be much cheaper than building a whole new stand.

But yes I have- I've got a some early drafts of these and other plans. If you PM an email address I'll send them to you.

 

[The Esk]

Interesting debate.. personally I would love to see a redeveloped Goodison Park.

Sorry if going over old ground (so to speak) why was the mainstand not aligned with the pitch?