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New Everton Stadium

JordanianEmbassy said:
Ok cool. I'm calm again :)



I think the idea with the Main Stand is that it is already a massive structure and all we need to do is reconfigure it to suit our purposes. This would be much cheaper than building a whole new stand.

But yes I have- I've got a some early drafts of these and other plans. If you PM an email address I'll send them to you.
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Probably better to post them on here for everyone I'd have thought.
 
There is not much room for sentiment in football anymore. United tried to keep the SAF legacy with Moyes and look where it got them. The time for a change is sooner rather than later with the increasing gap between top and bottom.
 
JordanianEmbassy said:
Mate sorry that picture you posted is absolutely useless because it doesn't bare any relation to how the stands line up in real life.

For one last time the main stand is not currently in line with the pitch and the idea is to move the pitch so it is.

Either look at a photograph or have a look next time you are at Goodison.

edit: I've just seen the photo MickA has posted. This should help you.
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You make some really good points and present a very interesting concept,I haven't read the whole debate so can you tell me how the main stand becomes unobstructed.....

My main concern with regard to stadium revamp is our board seem to lack any kind of vision and very deep pockets
 
OT has been developed into a 75,000 stadium. But prior to it being reconstructed the MU BOard insisted it couldn't be. Constrained space. Small footprint. Construction difficulties etc. They wheeled out all the big names like Bobby Charlton to repeat the message.

Where there's a will.......
 

the esk said:
Interesting debate.. personally I would love to see a redeveloped Goodison Park.

Sorry if going over old ground (so to speak) why was the mainstand not aligned with the pitch?
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I think it was part of an overall plan to redevelop all four sides so it was utilising the best space possible (Park End). Through the 70s and 80s the plan seemed to be abandoned.
 
Deggo said:
You make some really good points and present a very interesting concept,I haven't read the whole debate so can you tell me how the main stand becomes unobstructed.....

My main concern with regard to stadium revamp is our board seem to lack any kind of vision and very deep pockets
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I think that once aligned the plan was to cantilever the roof thus removing the current one and its supports. If you replace the seating at the back of the Main Stand with corporate layers (from the Top Balcony supporting pillars back) then the whole stand becomes unobstructed.

http://www.keioc.net/index.php?page=tom-hughes-letter

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maccavennie said:
Where I sit mate I have the sun on my back so I've never classed myself as being in their shadow. I'm a supporter of 36 years btw so have barely seen any "success" of note as the 80's I was just a kid. What your talking about, about long term plans, money, investment,stadium builds is nothing what we haven't known for years and years. Whether we can or we can't increase capacity or re design the stadium, well that's for another thread. My point still stands, the original post was that in his eyes we all feel inferior to our scruffy bellend neighbours and as someone who has never been spoon fed success I find that kind of point irrelevant and a load of crap. Most of his points sounded dated, out dated in fact and he's only saying what I think 99% of us could say and what we think.
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As I said in my other post just a phrase. I have been a supporter for 53 years!!! btw. and my dad and grandad before that!

Back to the other business, I was not referring to league table standings but the business management of Everton, which sucks. In that respect we are behind our neighbpurs. As I said in my post the centre of our problem or problems is BK and co. Our management have done sod all to properly address the business side. None of the board have remotely looked like or hinted about putting money. BK seems to think Everton FC is like his train set!
 
Deggo said:
You make some really good points and present a very interesting concept,I haven't read the whole debate so can you tell me how the main stand becomes unobstructed.....
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If you see the construction of the MS in the old Everton photos thread, the posts supporting the roof (Cause of the restricted views) hold up a "Ladder type frame" running the entire length of the roof. My idea would be remove the 2 middle posts, leaving the Street end one and the Park End one in place. Support the roof by building (initially) 2 towers at either end of the stand, room already exists in between the stand and the church. Then run a gantry above the roof to support it. I put initially, as the tower at the Park end could join up with a third tower built at the end of the Bullens. Then the Park end could be redeveloped. On a side note I think the Park end could be redeveloped without any ground closure or reduction in attendence.
 

St James the Less said:
If you see the construction of the MS in the old Everton photos thread, the posts supporting the roof (Cause of the restricted views) hold up a "Ladder type frame" running the entire length of the roof. My idea would be remove the 2 middle posts, leaving the Street end one and the Park End one in place. Support the roof by building (initially) 2 towers at either end of the stand, room already exists in between the stand and the church. Then run a gantry above the roof to support it. I put initially, as the tower at the Park end could join up with a third tower built at the end of the Bullens. Then the Park end could be redeveloped. On a side note I think the Park end could be redeveloped without any ground closure or reduction in attendence.
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Good point but would this then mean we are unable to redevelop the street end?
 
Deggo said:
Good point but would this then mean we are unable to redevelop the street end?
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The current restrictions on redeveloping the street end and bullens is I believe "Right to Light" of the locals. Basically you cant go any higher, cutting out sunlight. As far as the street end goes, moving the pitch towards the park end would give at least 6 yards (The main stand end is level with the 6 yard box) But I think you could get even more than the 6 yards from the park end. There's masses of room from the goal line to the first row of seats (Even taking our disabled friends into account.) You could even remove a couple of rows of seats to gain a bit more room. The street end could be made into a single tier starting at least 6 yards closer to the park end than now. An architect could work wonders I suspect.
 
Toffeelover said:
As I said in my other post just a phrase. I have been a supporter for 53 years!!! btw. and my dad and grandad before that!

Back to the other business, I was not referring to league table standings but the business management of Everton, which sucks. In that respect we are behind our neighbpurs. As I said in my post the centre of our problem or problems is BK and co. Our management have done sod all to properly address the business side. None of the board have remotely looked like or hinted about putting money. BK seems to think Everton FC is like his train set!
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Don't worry mate I know you've been a supporter for a long time so I respect your opinion on Everton issues. Your correct about being under performers commercially but it's not just against our scruffy bellend neighbours either. I should imagine we are pretty far down the pecking order regards to commercial revenue, merchandise sales etc for the simple reason that the board think small and act small, always have and always will. I don't see any change in he foreseeable tbh unless by some miracle we do get the go ahead for a new 50k stadium with someone willing to pump millions into turning a dream into reality. I think the Kings Dock was the one, a once in a lifetime opportunity which sailed by and we've suffered ever since. That would have put us bang on the map ( commercially ) imo
 
A redeveloped Goodison (if it was even possible - it isn't) would simply not act as any sort of catalyst for turning around our financial fortunes, or making us attractive to corporate partners, or would-be buyers, or changing our image as a club.

Which makes it an utterly pointless, expensive-for-no-good-reason exercise.
 

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