I wonder how much the additional 5k seats would cost when comparing a 55k stadium with a 60k stadium ?
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Achilles Heel
Player Valuation: £950k
50,000 or less would be a shame and a shock, but 55,000 I think is acceptable so long as it is on the Docks. For many years we have had a stadium smaller than Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea even Newcastle. We got on with it really. More recently it has been Man City & West Ham, soon Spurs. I appreciate that in terms of original stadiums, we set the standard, but that was a long time ago and football has changed and moved on. (BTW - Newcastle you can write off as a joke considering their history with practically zero trophies but loads of fat tattooed fans with no shirts on. Would never trade what Everton has achieved for a bigger stadium in a one horse city.)
Generally through our football history we have been ahead of, or comparable with, our peer group. More recently we have fallen behind. However, if you think about the current European super clubs, the Camp Nou holds 99,354 , Bernabeu 81,044 , Old Trafford 75,811, Allianz Arena 75,000. They are not all on a par by any means yet probably the perception is that they are the similar sized, super clubs at the moment. Real aren't bleating too much about being 18,000 seats short of Barca, for example.
I can understand the uncertainty about filling a 60,000 seater stadium from the Board as they will also have a keen eye on funding the team so that it is truly competitive. I hope that we are ambitious, but if it means the difference between an average stadium that is 61,878, or a brilliant, intimidating, noisy stadium, that is 55,000, creates fear in the opposition, pays homage to Goodison whilst making the transition seamless from L4 to the waterfront, and actually contributes to us being successful again, I'll take it.
A few of us seem to be getting hung up on the capacity - if we start winning again, we can develop our appeal, brand and infrastructure in stages. Surely the most important thing here is for BMD not to end up on the stadium scrap heap, like the Kings Dock. A location like this won't come around again.
Generally through our football history we have been ahead of, or comparable with, our peer group. More recently we have fallen behind. However, if you think about the current European super clubs, the Camp Nou holds 99,354 , Bernabeu 81,044 , Old Trafford 75,811, Allianz Arena 75,000. They are not all on a par by any means yet probably the perception is that they are the similar sized, super clubs at the moment. Real aren't bleating too much about being 18,000 seats short of Barca, for example.
I can understand the uncertainty about filling a 60,000 seater stadium from the Board as they will also have a keen eye on funding the team so that it is truly competitive. I hope that we are ambitious, but if it means the difference between an average stadium that is 61,878, or a brilliant, intimidating, noisy stadium, that is 55,000, creates fear in the opposition, pays homage to Goodison whilst making the transition seamless from L4 to the waterfront, and actually contributes to us being successful again, I'll take it.
A few of us seem to be getting hung up on the capacity - if we start winning again, we can develop our appeal, brand and infrastructure in stages. Surely the most important thing here is for BMD not to end up on the stadium scrap heap, like the Kings Dock. A location like this won't come around again.
Gareth Gibson
Player Valuation: £8m
The sooner some concrete news on the start of the stadium build,even if its just Meis showing us a replica model of it and showing that there's been some movement on stuff the betterAs usual the clubs PR/Media team are as much use as a paper bag in a rain storm :-(
The stadium needs to be as big capacity wise as possible and I'd rather we'd an 80000 seater stadium that could make money out of stuff like concerts, even offering it for Europa/Champions League Finals, England Internationals and staging cool summer tournaments etc or even Rugby or Cricket games would all add finances into club
Everton are as much good off the pitch than on and a massive change in the mentality of the club is needed to get us back where we belong
Yep, we need to be thinking big.
We're Everton Football Club, not bloody West Ham.
Gareth Gibson
Player Valuation: £8m
A hell of a lot less than if we added them a couple of years after the stadium was built.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Hard to give an exact price but they would be the cheapest seats to build and help bring down the build cost per seat.
Building afterwards (should the stadium require expansion at a later date) then they would become the most expensive. You pays your money and you takes your choice. In my book if they build a 55k it would be worth building a 5k tier, but not putting in the seats and then ingeniously hiding it behind something. If the uptake is worth finishing it and opening then they can with minimal disruption and costs.
MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
End of next season they plan to expand
So what?
MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
We may as well build the 61878 capacity now, it’s cheaper in the long run. If you need to expand in the future then your losing money as you need to close a stand while you build it.
royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
And we have FS as our manager.
toffee66
Player Valuation: £8m
Per an insider at one of the contractors Elstone currently has capacity set at 52k with Bill’s backing as our normal commercial risk averse nature holds sway. He’ll be gone soon and it is known Moshiri and his man Ryzmantsev want to be bolder. Nothing is decided yet. Another rumour is that fan feedback so far generally favours <55k in the online consultation which does not surprise me looking on here or my twitter feed. This club and this fan base is shaping up to be the land ambition forgot after three decades of mismanagement.
Achilles Heel
Player Valuation: £950k
Cannot believe the fan consultation ended up with a figure of 55,000. Every Evertonian I know was 60,000 with many including me following the 61878 line. If they are saying that is the result of the consultation, I simply don' believe it and they are massaging the results to suit.
Achilles Heel
Player Valuation: £950k
However I do believe the Elstone figure of 52k. I think it is in his nature to approach everything conservatively. 52k would be seriously disappointing and makes little sense when you look at the costs of extending any stadium after the initial build costs. Hope he gets overruled.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
I didn't know any Evertonian who was in favour of the Kirkby move, but apparently the majority voted for it.
That's why these online consultations are a load of crap. Just get on with it now.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
If Moshiri wants more then he should buy out the rest. Pointless being the largest shareholder if he gets overruled on things like this, may as well go back to Arsenal and not make decisions there.
Achilles Heel
Player Valuation: £950k
Yep - not sure whether it's respect for Blue Bill that is holding him back or the time he would need to put into Everton if he has complete control. Difficult to be hands on from Monaco although obviously Ryazantsev is his man on the ground. Could he be the next CEO?