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New Everton Stadium

paulbefc said:
It doesn't have to be 60k. It really, really doesn't. Anything from 55k up is very acceptable.

I answered 60k in the survey because, in my uneducated opinion, I think it'd be the best capacity for us. I don't see why I should expect it though. I doubt it's as simple as whatever the fans vote for is what the stadium capacity will be. I don't think the world will end or we'll become the laughing stock of football if we have a 55k stadium on the Liverpool waterfront. I also don't think what the capacity is determines our status or ambition in English football. I don't actually think anyone outside of this thread thinks that.
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As an outsider on here I have to admit that I agree with the post above.
When Spurs first released the plans for a new stadium about TEN YEARS AGO, (in CAPS to emphasise how long stadium build from the start can take,) it was with a capacity of around 56,00-57,000 and I didn't care less about it being being thousands less than our local rivals, I only cared that we were getting a new modern stadium that would hopefully bring in more funds to help improve the squad.
Now, a few years later we are building a 62,000 capacity stadium that has all the bells and whistles but just because it's gonna be the second highest capacity stadium in England that doesn't make me now think that we are now bigger than our local rivals (or surpass them any time soon?)
At the new stadium, our average crowd will go up by over 20,000 (but for how long?) because the average cost of a S/T has gone up overall by about 25% and the chairman has already stated that "All the extra revenue brought in by the new stadium will be used to help service the debt of building it," which means us the current S/T holders ain't gonna see any bigger signings in the near future than we can currently afford.

I have read a fair few on here say "IF we price it correctly we will easily fill a 55,000 seater stadium," but genuine question, will enough Everton supporters be happy or willing to pay the extra % cos bottom line, if you want a new stadium you will have to pay more to get into it, (and your owners will then have to calculate will there be enough demand for a 60,000 stadium build cost?)
Please don't get me wrong, I'm happy that we have built a new stadium but i also except that it's gonna be a fair few years before we the supporters will see any benefit from from the revenue on the pitch (IF EVER?)

P.S. As normal, all is written from a friendly/new stadium point of view ;)
 
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H.H. said:
and the chairman has already stated that "All the extra revenue brought in by the new stadium will be used to help service the debt of building it,"
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By my reckoning, if we [Spurs (sorry, didn't mean to threadjack)] get close to the Emirates in terms of revenue that's an extra £40-50m p/a in stadium revenue alone. And again going by the Emirates, I would think about half of that will go towards debt. That leaves a good chunk which doesn't (1 Heung Min Son's worth p/a maybe). So I'd expect a step up in player spending, albeit not a huge one or one that takes us into the realm of the really big spenders, but a atep nonetheless.
 

That article doesn't support what you said about all the extra revenue going towards debt. All it does is say the bigger gain will come in the medium to long term, which is fairly obvious because we'll have paid down more of the mortgage. It doesn't say zero short term gain.

I think what could be an indicator is how big a naming rights deal we can secure. The fact we haven't got one yet suggests we're either in no rush (maybe we think we can do better after the first NFL game has been played there and broadcast to the US?), or we're struggling to get what we're asking for, or Levy's doing his usual and playing hardball.

Apologies, off-topic (but hopefully not completely irrelevant). But I think something will have gone wrong if we're not seeing some uptick in spending as a result of the stadium.
 
EFC78 said:
Surely you can see how ridiculous the 43K figure you have come up with is?

Assuming this 35-40K STH figure is true, lets go with a middle ish number there and say 37K. Add on 5K Corporate seats, and 3K for away fans. That brings us to 45K without taking in to account any tickets sold to non STH. At Goodison, we must currently sell around 5K to non STH given that we have 32K STH (3K away). When the away fans return the Upper Bullens, we then sell another 1,200 no problem unless it's a midweek game.

So the club would probably go for a minimum of 10K to non STH which gives 55K minimum and I would say all of those figures above are conservative.
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I did the 3 lowest figures and together and then the 3 higher, not difficult, based on figure that RE quoted himself. 43k is a total joke but that’s what he said
 
Have an electronic pay at the gate on match day, the market place will then set the attendance for each game based on the calibre of how and who we are playing
Historically top gates were always Vs the mancs and the rs plus 'big' games that caught the imagination.

*puts neck on vaulting block*
We won't be getting anything that starts with a 6
 
H.H. said:
As an outsider on here I have to admit that I agree with the post above.
When Spurs first released the plans for a new stadium about TEN YEARS AGO, (in CAPS to emphasise how long stadium build from the start can take,) it was with a capacity of around 56,00-57,000 and I didn't care less about it being being thousands less than our local rivals, I only cared that we were getting a new modern stadium that would hopefully bring in more funds to help improve the squad.
Now, a few years later we are building a 62,000 capacity stadium that has all the bells and whistles but just because it's gonna be the second highest capacity stadium in England that doesn't make me now think that we are now bigger than our local rivals (or surpass them any time soon?)
At the new stadium, our average crowd will go up by over 20,000 (but for how long?) because the average cost of a S/T has gone up overall by about 25% and the chairman has already stated that "All the extra revenue brought in by the new stadium will be used to help service the debt of building it," which means us the current S/T holders ain't gonna see any bigger signings in the near future than we can currently afford.

I have read a fair few on here say "IF we price it correctly we will easily fill a 55,000 seater stadium," but genuine question, will enough Everton supporters be happy or willing to pay the extra % cos bottom line, if you want a new stadium you will have to pay more to get into it, (and your owners will then have to calculate will there be enough demand for a 60,000 stadium build cost?)
Please don't get me wrong, I'm happy that we have built a new stadium but i also except that it's gonna be a fair few years before we the supporters will see any benefit from from the revenue on the pitch (IF EVER?)

P.S. As normal, all is written from a friendly/new stadium point of view ;)
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This.
 
MrGrumpy said:
I did the 3 lowest figures and together and then the 3 higher, not difficult, based on figure that RE quoted himself. 43k is a total joke but that’s what he said
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Your calculations don't account for tickets sold to non season ticket holders/general sale though. We currently have approximately 4K of those fans each game if the away club requests the full allocation, and 5.5K if they give up the Upper Bullens for us. We would sell far more tickets to these type of Everton fans at BMD but even if we went with a conservative 5K, your range would then be at 48-55K.
 

EFC78 said:
Your calculations don't account for tickets sold to non season ticket holders/general sale though. We currently have approximately 4K of those fans each game if the away club requests the full allocation, and 5.5K if they give up the Upper Bullens for us. We would sell far more tickets to these type of Everton fans at BMD but even if we went with a conservative 5K, your range would then be at 48-55K.
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RE never mentioned walk up fans. Anyway

Needs to be at least 58k or there no point
 
EFC78 said:
Your calculations don't account for tickets sold to non season ticket holders/general sale though. We currently have approximately 4K of those fans each game if the away club requests the full allocation, and 5.5K if they give up the Upper Bullens for us. We would sell far more tickets to these type of Everton fans at BMD but even if we went with a conservative 5K, your range would then be at 48-55K.
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And the vast majority (if not all) of those are single seats, often obstructed view, yet they still sell. Apply any amount of logic to that and it's not hard to see better facilities in a more accessible stadium plus the chance to sit with friends and family increase that number significantly.

MrGrumpy said:
RE never mentioned walk up fans. Anyway

Needs to be at least 58k or there no point
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And Everton have always historically had once of the highest rates of walk up fans in the PL. To dismiss that category is ridiculous.
 
joey_macmo said:
Got to laugh at the notion that Craven Cottage & Loftus road are in more undesirable areas than Goodison.

I know plenty who won't go to West Ham since theyve moved becuase the stadium is crap, ironic considering Upton Park had been a great away for a few years before they moved.

The lower Bullens is the worst view in football & we aren't talking about 1/2 rows at the back its about 7/8 where you are watching through a letter box.

We won't need half the league to bring 5k anyway, the current top 6 and the geordies will do it, thats about it on a consistent basis.
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You are joking. There have been times i nrecent years when Chelsea haven't filled their sections. And as for the Geordies, a few seasons back they only took the Lower Bullens section for a game which if I recall correctly was a Monday night Sky game.
 
mrb85 said:
You are joking. There have been times i nrecent years when Chelsea haven't filled their sections. And as for the Geordies, a few seasons back they only took the Lower Bullens section for a game which if I recall correctly was a Monday night Sky game.
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How far are you going back though? Chelsea, like Man City, didn't have the out of town support like the RS, United and Arsenal when they first got successful to fill midweek allocations in the North West. I too remember them only bringing the lower allocation on occasions even after Abramovic and they only managed about 4K of the 6K allocation in the semi final of the League Cup. But this was years ago now. For the past 5 or 6 years, Chelsea have sold out 99% of their full away allocation at every league ground.

With the Geordies, they wouldn't bring huge numbers for a midweek game but they would sell 3 or even 5K with ease for a Saturday 3pm. They have a very good away support, despite what some Evertonians like to argue, they just don't quite have the numbers we do when the circumstances are against them. It should also be noted that they have further to travel than nearly everyone in the country.
 
mrb85 said:
You are joking. There have been times i nrecent years when Chelsea haven't filled their sections. And as for the Geordies, a few seasons back they only took the Lower Bullens section for a game which if I recall correctly was a Monday night Sky game.
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Chelsea fair enough, you aren’t going to sell out many games at all for a Monday night league game though, that’s an exception rather than a rule
 

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