MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
From June:
JA "“Everton are looking to build a stadium of 50-55,000 capacity, maybe more, and the dropping in of a running track will reduce that to about 40,000"
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From June:
JA "“Everton are looking to build a stadium of 50-55,000 capacity, maybe more, and the dropping in of a running track will reduce that to about 40,000"
Gardocki
Player Valuation: £8m
55,000 to 58,000 is perfect for us imo. I don't give a toss if Spurs, Arsenal of Liverpool have a few thousand more. I just want it to look amazing and be a fortress for Everton.
If you look at some of the new stadia built in Istanbul for Galatasaray, Besiktas etc they look great, and are between 45,000 and 52,000. Galatasaray's ground is 52,000 and looks huge. If you look at Lyon's new stadium in France it holds 60k and frankly, it seems too big.
People on here have been saying there's a waiting list of 10,000 for season tickets to justify 60,00+ seats. The reality is that this will not generate demand for 10,000 additional seats. The majority of these fans are probably attending most of these games on general admission tickets.
If you look at some of the new stadia built in Istanbul for Galatasaray, Besiktas etc they look great, and are between 45,000 and 52,000. Galatasaray's ground is 52,000 and looks huge. If you look at Lyon's new stadium in France it holds 60k and frankly, it seems too big.
People on here have been saying there's a waiting list of 10,000 for season tickets to justify 60,00+ seats. The reality is that this will not generate demand for 10,000 additional seats. The majority of these fans are probably attending most of these games on general admission tickets.
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Good points, and it's worth pointing out that the 'waiting list' has no obligation attached to it. You can put yourself down on the list but that doesn't mean you'll actually take the ticket if it gets offered to you. A mate of mine was on the waiting list at Liverpool for years but he was never really in a financial position to get a season ticket and when he got the opportunity he turned it down, there'll be plenty in the same boat for us.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
Surely you can see how ridiculous the 43K figure you have come up with is?
Assuming this 35-40K STH figure is true, lets go with a middle ish number there and say 37K. Add on 5K Corporate seats, and 3K for away fans. That brings us to 45K without taking in to account any tickets sold to non STH. At Goodison, we must currently sell around 5K to non STH given that we have 32K STH (3K away). When the away fans return the Upper Bullens, we then sell another 1,200 no problem unless it's a midweek game.
So the club would probably go for a minimum of 10K to non STH which gives 55K minimum and I would say all of those figures above are conservative.
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
If it's going to be used for d1ck waving competitions, then we better make it a 71878 capacity stadium.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
In my opinion - ways we could sell 55-60K for the vast majority of games, even with cautious figures given below:
Add in 3K away fans and you're then at 56K. However, I think the away fans could be a way of boosting the crowd even more within reason. If you think about it, around half the league could actually sell 5K and they are:
- 40K Season Ticket Holders. We have 32-33K now with some of the worst views in the league on offer so an extra 7K-8K at a new ground on the waterfront doesn't seem too unlikely to me
- 5K coporate
- A conservative number of 8K to non STH. We currently sell between just under 5K to 6.5K at Goodison with horrendous views and poor outdated facilities
Add in 3K away fans and you're then at 56K. However, I think the away fans could be a way of boosting the crowd even more within reason. If you think about it, around half the league could actually sell 5K and they are:
- All of the top 6 with ease
- Any club located within close proximity. Stoke and Burnley for example.
- Any biggish club with a good away following. The likes of Newcastle, West Ham and if Villa came back up. Even Leicester may do it.
- Promoted sides for the novelty
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
If you are going to get into a competition like that then you have to have the biggest one. 91878.
Yes we have 32k with some obstructed views, but will we really be offering kids season tickets for £100 at a stadium that's just cost £500m to build? I think we need to remember there'll be swings and roundabouts in terms of new fans being attracted and some current match goers not being able to afford the increased costs at BM. Half the league don't even take all the tickets on offer for Goodison, thinking they'll all suddenly start bringing an extra 3k seems a little outlandish to me.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
And for good reason. When comparing both grounds for away supporters to visit:
BMD:
- More appealing location with the City of Liverpool
- Nicer ground, far better facilities
- Novelty of it being a new Stadium
- No obstructed views, far more comfortable seating
- A ground they've most likely been to quite a few times
- In a less desirable area of the City than BMD after the area has been regenerated
- Awful facilities
- Terrible views in the Lower Bullens and some parts of the Upper Bullens
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Big Fat Sam
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52,000 is absolutely fine. Will be more space for executor boxes which is where the real money is at. I won't be going the games anyway so couldn't care less. 52,000 fans is still a hell of a lot, and with safe standing hopefully making a comeback some time in the future it'll be far more than that anyway.
You think Goodison is worse to visit than the likes of Selhurst Park, Carrow Road, Craven Cottage, Upton Park and Loftus Road? I can only assume you've never been to these places.
The thing is, I've been to all of them a number of times, and each time we've had a sold out allocation. Clubs either have good away support or they don't, you don't suddenly magic up a load of fans with the desire to travel a couple of hundred miles to go to the game just because a stadium has slightly better sightlines. I've watched Everton up and down the country and I can honestly say I've never even considered looking at whether the stadium i'm going to is in a desirable part of the City because i'm going to the game not to buy a house. You might get an improvement for the 'novelty' as you say, but that will last 1, maybe 2 years.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
Been to all of them yes.
Everton have one of the best away supports in the entire Country so don't think you can compare us to a lot of other away supports.
Have you never noticed for example how Arsenal away at the previous price of £36 a ticket would always sell out without fail, regardless of kick off time/it being midweek yet Spurs which from memory would be £39/£41 wouldn't always sell out? Surely there is a reason for that? Both in North London, both were a similar price, both have a similar chance of us winning in recent years but for a while we would have had more chance of winning at Spurs.
You are obviously a regular matchgoing fan who isn't put off by the things you mention, but clearly some people are. The terrible views and outdated facilities will put supporters off attending Goodison in both the home and away fanbases.
Any away fan who is 50/50 about whether to spend £30 on a ticket, and then told they were going to be on the back row of the Lower Bullens with a letterbox view would likely decide against it. I am talking about the ones who are not necessarily 10-15 aways a season types, and go to maybe 3 or 4.
joey_macmo
Player Valuation: £35m
Got to laugh at the notion that Craven Cottage & Loftus road are in more undesirable areas than Goodison.
I know plenty who won't go to West Ham since theyve moved becuase the stadium is crap, ironic considering Upton Park had been a great away for a few years before they moved.
The lower Bullens is the worst view in football & we aren't talking about 1/2 rows at the back its about 7/8 where you are watching through a letter box.
We won't need half the league to bring 5k anyway, the current top 6 and the geordies will do it, thats about it on a consistent basis.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
Agree with this. I regularly go to a fair few of the aways but can't afford to do them all and if i'm being honest, there are some I just can't be arsed with. West Ham is now in that category because of the new ground and one of the main reasons is because of how far from the pitch it is.
Newcastle is the same for me, although I will still go there on occasion.
For me, part of the thrill of being at the match watching live is being close to the action. If it's an awful view i'd rather stay at home and save my money for the better aways.
The examples I gave were for the stadiums and views not the location (although Loftus Road is nothing like Craven Cottage in terms of location, you don't want to be taking a wrong turn in one of the estates round there I can assure you).