Spot on mate.
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Spot on mate.
We hopeThe other killer variable is scope creep! Hopefully the point of these consultations will be that further down the line they will effectively close the door on opinion and crack on with the agreed design and get the job done!
GrumpyBlue
Player Valuation: £8m
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
If people oppose the scheme on footballing grounds it really would be a head scratcher. No other scheme could link that section of the docks to the rest of the waterfront in the way this could. It is literally the City’s best bet for that end of the docks short of a global tech giant deciding to teeocate their HQ there.
I hope so. As the many close pubs is a crucial part of the matchday experience.
Although some have closed, the local pubs left have adapted to changing drinking habits and still have a close by local population base to add to a once a fortnight boom.
It remains to be seen if new businesses can survive on a 14 day boom bust cycle without that back up population base.
'Build it and they will come' in the short term is a bit risky, given that the average for new start up hospitality businesses to go bankrupt is 18mths
The whole area will be regenerated with apartments, shopping centres , offices etc
There will be plenty of 24/7 buisness
Over what time scale though?
Say the ground is open in Aug 2023 or 24, its all going to be in place by then?
I'm not saying it all won't get there eventually
MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
i think initially there'll be lots of pop-up bars and the like using the warehouses, like you say there's no demand just now. There's barely anything except a cafe and a Greek from Ma Boyle's to the BM pub.
I just hope the stadium itself has decent bars for before and after.
Which may cut down the start up businesses customers
MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
True. I'm sure there'll be middle ground though.
I reckon the lids would prefer Z Cars banging round a warehouse rather than caressing a Westmalle like me in the warmth and comfort lol
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
Not forgetting the 'new stadium bounce'.
The other poster generalises about the likes of Tottenham having waiting lists since the 90's as the reason they've all redeveloped. Bla bla. What about the other clubs who redeveloped (at the time) like Bolton, Sunderland, Derby, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Leicester; throw in Newcastle too. All big jumps in stadium attendances. Have I missed anyone? City at the Emptyhad but now successful and expanding again. Chelsea and Wolves are some other clubs that aspire to 60,000.
The likes of Arsenal from 38,000 Highbury, Tottenham 36,000 at WHL unsure about West Ham under 40, all getting more. Sure they're all in London. The RS that's another story. The point is there is a massive leap in attendances with the clubs that have built new stadiums. We hope to have success and pull in more supporters call them what you want tourists, glory hunters. I'd rather we have space to fill than be cautious like the club has been with Elstone. Maybe they fear banks of empty seats.
RobSpurs
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Aww mate, everyone who's been following the project knows it's his. lol Everyone who's been following it also knows it comes from a BuroHappold engineering document the main purpose of which was not to show off the final design but to examine the logistics of plonking a stadium at BMD. I very much doubt it's the final, refined vision for the ground. It's an illustrative render provided by the architect for this engineer report.
As for not being able to find his completed projects on this website, fair enough. It's a junk website. Like lots of 'creatives' he seems to think re-imagining how navigation menus on websites work is a clever idea. It isn't. He is a noob when it comes to European "soccer" stadiums and in that sense he's a risk, but he's not when it comes to stadiums in general. And the reason neither of his European stadiums exist isn't anything to do with him. If you care, look up the mess that is Roman politics, how difficult it is to build anything there, and how much that project has become a political football. BMD has been plain sailing by comparison.
tommytowne
Player Valuation: £50m
I suppose I'm getting ahead of myself on this, but in the short term at least, the so called "new stadium bounce" would ensure full houses for a good few seasons at least.
Factor in the increase in season ticket sales, a modicum of good football on view and perish the thought, the possibility of success, and I honestly believe the fear of empty seating would not materialise.
Then eventually, it would become habitual to attend the game irrespective of performance on the field due to the whole matchday experience brought on by the whole LW project.
You have to factor in that there has been a general rise in attendances over the period you're talking about too, because football has very much been in a 'boom' period. Our average attendance over the last year or so has been 7-8k higher than it was say 20 years ago, while the likes of Palace and Watford (clubs with more room for improvement) have pretty much doubled their attendances. You have to be careful, therefore, of assuming the new stadiums are the reason for the increase.
We definitely need a substantially larger capacity, I doubt anyone would seriously argue against that. I just don't see why 60k has become such a big thing for some people. One thing to note about pretty much all of the examples you've used, is that their attendances changed in line with the team's success. When Bolton were flying high under Allardyce they were getting 26,000. Fast forward a couple of years to a side struggling at the bottom and they'd lost 4-5k fans, another few years later they're in the Championship and they've lost 10k. Exactly the same at Boro.
The key is to have a successful side on the pitch, if we're at the top end of the league and in the CL etc we can look at 60k crowds. If we're still where we are now we'll be nowhere near. One thing we need to work out is how much building the stadium is going to affect the kitty for transfers, because if we're going to have to lay off the spending for years, we're not exactly in a great position to be expecting a 50% increase in attendances.
CRIMHEAD
Player Valuation: £40m
As a comparison, here in DC when the new baseball park opened they literally set up a bunch of stands and temporarily structures out of large containers. Basically one big gravel lot with beer and food around the perimeter called the bullpen. It was a giant, makeshift beer garden. It was a dump in one of the wealthiest and snobbiest cities in states and had hundreds there pre and post game drinking overpriced beers for hours. I swear it looked like it took them 10 minutes to set it up.