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New Everton Stadium

TBH -I would like to see us have a top team before a new stadia no good having a new 55, 000 new stadia when only 40, 000 will attend!
Without a major big buyer we will no see a new stadia in BK time imo!
Horse before the cart job imo! If we have no major backer?
 
TBH I would like to see us have a top team before a new stadis no good having a new 55, 00 new stadia when only 40, 000 will attend!
Withoput a major big buyer we will no see a new stadia in BK time imo!

You don't get and maintain a top team without being able to afford it.

Its also nonsense to say that given that last year the availability of tickets was atrocious due to so many STs being sold.

Only obstructed seats available most of the time.
 

TBH -I would like to see us have a top team before a new stadia no good having a new 55, 000 new stadia when only 40, 000 will attend!
Without a major big buyer we will no see a new stadia in BK time imo!
Horse before the cart job imo! If we have no major backer?
If the stadium can't be filled at the current ticket price which I doubt anyway but if that's the case then they can always lower the ticket price. It would still bring in the extra corporate revenue and have potential to grow by increasing prices along with the team. Man City have the cheapest ticket prices in the country for this reason. Not believing we can fill it really isn't a valid reason.
 
If the stadium can't be filled at the current ticket price which I doubt anyway but if that's the case then they can always lower the ticket price. It would still bring in the extra corporate revenue and have potential to grow by increasing prices along with the team. Man City have the cheapest ticket prices in the country for this reason. Not believing we can fill it really isn't a valid reason.
Believing we have a backer to fund a new stadia is also another major factor!
 
Can a mod, or D410, change the title of this thread? Preferably to something like "Everton to not move to new stadium. Ever."
This was just about Everton announcing a debate about moving to a new stadium. As debate's go it wasn't bad. A new stadium won't happen however unless the Blu Union source it, plan it, and fund it for the board.
 
A re-vamped Goodison Park needs new investment or owners to make any sense. (The assumption being that redevelopment is possible from an engineering/architectural perspective.)

Without new owners, or significant capital investment from the existing owners a re-vamped Goodison does not make any commercial sense

Let’s say a redeveloped Goodison costs £150 million – I know £100 million has been mentioned but there are not many examples of stadia coming in at budget.

Firstly let’s look at the potential additional revenues a 55,000 seat Goodison would raise.

I’m assuming an average attendance of 50,000, so an increase of 11,000 on current attendances @ £40 per head

I’m also going to assume that we have 30 extra boxes, that these are filled every game and generate £3,300 in revenue per box per game.

Total additional revenue raised = £10.26 million

If new owners or the existing owners were to invest £150 million into the club then there’s a case for redeveloping.

However if that was not to happen then there’s no case for redevelopment.

Let’s run two scenarios – one where by some element of good fortune £50 million is contributed by naming rights, public subsidy, or partial investment from the Board/shareholders, and secondly where the costs have to be met by debt alone.

Scenario 1

Subsidy or capital raise of £50 million

£100 million of debt

Interest rate 8.25%

Term 30 years

Annual repayment: £9,000,000

Net increase in revenues £1.26 million

Scenario 2

£150 million of debt

Interest rate 8.25%

Term 30 years

Annual repayment: £11,250,000

Net decrease in revenues: £ 1 million
 
A re-vamped Goodison Park needs new investment or owners to make any sense. (The assumption being that redevelopment is possible from an engineering/architectural perspective.)

Without new owners, or significant capital investment from the existing owners a re-vamped Goodison does not make any commercial sense

Let’s say a redeveloped Goodison costs £150 million – I know £100 million has been mentioned but there are not many examples of stadia coming in at budget.

Firstly let’s look at the potential additional revenues a 55,000 seat Goodison would raise.

I’m assuming an average attendance of 50,000, so an increase of 11,000 on current attendances @ £40 per head

I’m also going to assume that we have 30 extra boxes, that these are filled every game and generate £3,300 in revenue per box per game.

Total additional revenue raised = £10.26 million

If new owners or the existing owners were to invest £150 million into the club then there’s a case for redeveloping.

However if that was not to happen then there’s no case for redevelopment.

Let’s run two scenarios – one where by some element of good fortune £50 million is contributed by naming rights, public subsidy, or partial investment from the Board/shareholders, and secondly where the costs have to be met by debt alone.

Scenario 1

Subsidy or capital raise of £50 million

£100 million of debt

Interest rate 8.25%

Term 30 years

Annual repayment: £9,000,000

Net increase in revenues £1.26 million

Scenario 2

£150 million of debt

Interest rate 8.25%

Term 30 years

Annual repayment: £11,250,000

Net decrease in revenues: £ 1 million

But we attract potential investors do we not? And the sky deals should be improving which means that debt won't be too much to pay off.
 

But we attract potential investors do we not? And the sky deals should be improving which means that debt won't be too much to pay off.

I'm not sure us becoming heavily indebted with a marginal increase in income makes us more attractive to buy.

Secondly even greater Sky/broadcasting revenues makes the marginal improvement in our revenues even less relevent.

Without serious capital investment either from new owners, existing owners or a combination of both it is a complete red herring.
 
I'm not sure us becoming heavily indebted with a marginal increase in income makes us more attractive to buy.

Secondly even great Sky/broadcasting revenues makes the marginal improvement in our revenues even less relevent.

Without serious capital investment either from new owners, existing owners or a combination of both it is a complete red herring.
Its a catch 22 situation, we need to newer bigger stadium long term yet the shortfall we need to find for the repayments most likely will come directly out of our operating budget which could make us even less competitive for many years.
 
Haven't bothered looking up the entire history of Everton average attendances but since 27 / 28 average attendance has been at or near 50, 000 on only three occasions: 62 / 63, 63 / 64 and 69 / 70. Can't really see where the confidence about filling a new or redeveloped ground is coming from.
 

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