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New Everton Stadium

sageyefc said:
Simple fact all them Norwegians and far eastern lids can pay more and theres more demand
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Exactly. I'd genuinely like to know what percentage of our home attendees spend their hard earned cash in the club shop prior to kick off?

Obviously you have the Dads and Lads factor (or Mums and Daughters or whatever permutation) and the odd travelling from afar fan who come.

However, I am pretty confident that our figures are nowhere near the percentage which those lot across the park will regularly achieve.

It's in their whole business plan that they attract the 'tourist' fan who is happy to pay big money for tickets and then add the merchandise.

New kit for Sven Jnr or wee Patrick from down the road... you see them all stuffing their numerous bags under the seats before kick off.

Does Everton attract such revenue? Unfortunately not; we may often be 'local' fans, but that means the most we outlay is a pie and a pint.

It's a big difference, so an extra eight-thousand seats for them would arguably generate much more revenue for the same number for ourselves.
 
Dithering Dougie said:
Of course there's the other problem that we've got no room to expand.
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God forbid someone talking sense; you'll be labelled a heathen soon who cannot see the clear fact that it's a possible outcome.

I think we would all love Goodison to be redeveloped; I certainly would. However, I simply cannot see it's feasibility with our financial restraints.

Firstly, we have a stadium which is pretty much penned in by local housing and significant other factors (major road and a school).

Redeveloping around this would be a huge logistical nightmare, as I am unsure where any infrastructure, machinery or vehicles would reside.

Arguably there would then be some additional costs involved in obtaining any extra land required to alleviate distribution to the community?

Then you've got the fact that the stadia is much older and in a worse condition than Anfield, which has had some redevelopment over the years.

The Street End, Bullens and the Main Stand all require significant work; based on their examples of costs it will not be a cheap affair.

People may come up with some lovely plans or schemes, which on paper appear attractive, but their feasibility appears non-existent.

At least not with out a sizeable financial outlay... and that's where the new stadium comes in.
 

Dithering Dougie said:
Yeah and we'd need to purchase land/houses if we were to develope goodison according to these crackpot plans that say it's possible to rebuild a whole new stadium for as little as £100m.
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No need to call them "crackpot" we're trying to get away from name calling and us and them.

However it would be fascinating to see how the figure of £100 m is calculated and costed.
 
PhilM said:
God forbid someone talking sense; you'll be labelled a heathen soon who cannot see the clear fact that it's a possible outcome.

I think we would all love Goodison to be redeveloped; I certainly would. However, I simply cannot see it's feasibility with our financial restraints.

Firstly, we have a stadium which is pretty much penned in by local housing and significant other factors (major road and a school).

Redeveloping around this would be a huge logistical nightmare, as I am unsure where any infrastructure, machinery or vehicles would reside.

Arguably there would then be some additional costs involved in obtaining any extra land required to alleviate distribution to the community?

Then you've got the fact that the stadia is much older and in a worse condition than Anfield, which has had some redevelopment over the years.

The Street End, Bullens and the Main Stand all require significant work; based on their examples of costs it will not be a cheap affair.

People may come up with some lovely plans or schemes, which on paper appear attractive, but their feasibility appears non-existent.

At least not with out a sizeable financial outlay... and that's where the new stadium comes in.
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Common sense says it easier, quicker and cheaper to develop an open plot of land instead of working with a structure that's limited in its parameters. It doesn't take a genius or expert to see that we've not got that land around goodison to build a stadium fit for not just the next 20 years but the 80 after that.

If the BU really want to encourage progression they should be offering alternatives to new plots of land and stadium design instead of flogging this dead horse. As it is they just try and beat down the club with any options they propose.
 
the esk said:
No need to call them "crackpot" we're trying to get away from name calling and us and them.

However it would be fascinating to see how the figure of £100 m is calculated and costed.
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Well how can you come up with such a figure when other stadium redevelopments for just 1 stand cost almost 75% of their proposed final figure they give?

It's pie in the sky nonsense and you're aware of it as much as I am.
 
the esk said:
How is this going to be funded ?
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It wont unless we decided to relinquish some of restraints on where we would reallocate to, and/or whom we'd partner with to make it possible.

People may not like to hear that, although sometimes the the truth hurts. I was never a huge fan of the whole 'Tesco Bowl', but it was feasible.

People rightly or wrongly grumbled that it was either too far out, that the stadium wasn't of a high enough quality or we were selling our soul.

Unfortunately though, we will not get a new stadium unless we relinquish some of our concerns about at least one of those criteria; possibly more.

A new stadium in the city will cost more than on a brown field site. Then will the quality diminish? If we move out further can we get quality?

Or would that mean selling ourselves to another organisation like Tesco? Would that automatically mean a soulless ground like many others?

To fund a high-quality stadium which offers atmosphere and top-rate services, in a location that is suitable, will possibly cost hundreds of millions.

That really only means external investment which people seem to hope for (sorry drool over), although that doesn't come with out its sceptics.

However, why would some oligarch want to spend significant cash on a club AND then have to outlay more again on a new stadium?

Maybe I am a simpleton but that doesn't sound like good business sense to me; where and how will their investment be made worthwhile?

So.. if we want to get some substantial investment we need a new stadium, which we cannot afford without the investment in the first place.

That leaves the option of a possible second-rate stadium in an area that isn't as favourable as others; something people will not entertain.

Sounds like Catch 22 to me...
 

Dithering Dougie said:
Common sense says it easier, quicker and cheaper to develop an open plot of land instead of working with a structure that's limited in its parameters. It doesn't take a genius or expert to see that we've not got that land around goodison to build a stadium fit for not just the next 20 years but the 80 after that.

If the BU really want to encourage progression they should be offering alternatives to new plots of land and stadium design instead of flogging this dead horse. As it is they just try and beat down the club with any options they propose.
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Lets be honest. If they did you would still find something to gripe about. For one reason or another the BU is an enemy of yours for reasons only known to yourself. BK and Co have had plenty of time to come up with working options but they have failed yet you let your poison out on the BU.
 

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