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New Everton Stadium

The more I think about it the more it makes sense.

Spurs’ new place is 62k. They’re way ahead of us.

Makes sense to start sensible and even more sensible to have the opportunity to go bigger if we make it big.

Would be stupid to bid straight away. We’d never fill it.
 
RobSpurs said:
My understanding is the Green Guide allows for a ratio of 1.8 standing for every 1 seated in standing areas in UK stadiums.

However, in the top two divisions of English football (not sure about Scottish) every spectator must be provided with a seat by law and that supersedes the guidelines in the Green Guide.

So it will be a 1:1 ratio when it opens and will remain so unless the law changes. If it does change, I'm pretty sure I read that we've designed the stadium to allow more people into the safe standing areas (i.e. enough facilities, wide enough concourses, enough entries/exits, stand being strong enough to take extra capacity etc).
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Maybe this is what Meis has in mind
12500 seats converted to 1.8 safe standing seats would give us an extra 10,000 seats
Either that or the framework and facilities to put in the extra 10k will be in the original design so as not to affect the aesthetics when completed
 
Stephen Gibson said:
Im underwhelmed. What im hearing is the world class stadium in terms of design we thought we were getting will potentially have its design compromised by an extension down the line to get to the capacity a good chunk of us wanted in the first place.
Nobody builds a brand new house then plans for an extension. You build it right 1st time.
Why not build a 57-58k seater wrapped around a design that was always intended for a stadium of that size.
If Dan Meis & the board truly want a stand out design on the water front then commit to it. It doesn't have to have a cheese room or a roof or a removable pitch etc etc but just a great piece of design that stands up.
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Costs a lot more to extend over time and probably have to close part of the ground whilst work goes on.
 

davek said:
It's a statement issue though.

BMD with 50+K - on a world heritage site, a short distance away from one of the most vibrant cities in the country

v

Kirkby Stadium with 50+K - on a field next to Tesco, a stones throw away from one of the most vibrant town centres in...erm...Kirkby.
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The binman chronicles said:
Agreed but that inflation would work even better if we built to the max now. So for example, we spent the 500m in a one time blast, instead of paying out 450m now and 200m, 20 years down the road.

The 60m I mentioned was the quoted cost of City's 6k-ish extension back in 2015. The initial build cost 154 million. So 154m for 47k and at least another 120m for their two expansions adding another 13k or so seats. Not good economics.
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But an innital 52k stadium could generate additional funds, to fund an expansion to 60k, if the market proves there.

For example gate receipts at Goodison are about 12mill a season.

Newcastle with a capacity of 52k at SJP pull in 25 million.

Inflation is relative to the build at the time, but also relative to the structure of repayment over a period time as I said above, like Goodison. You also have to look at inflation of other aspects a stadium brings, increased ticket prices, corporate facilities. Football itself as I said is in a seemingly constant inflationary cycle, the cost of a stadium 20 years ago is about the same as a club get now in TV money a year.

To be perfectly frank with you, we would fill a 60k stadium for the derby, we wouldn’t fill a 60 k stadium for a home game with Watford on a Monday. Maybe that will change in the future.

Do we need a ground bigger then St James Park? No way.

If we did it would be a morgue for about 15 of 18 games a year.
 
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The binman chronicles said:
10k extra seats would probably be 100 million + (god knows what inflation will do also), after interest would probably take 12 years before it has even paid for itself. Not many owners are going to be too worried about getting a return that far in the future unless cash is no object, like the sheikhs at city.
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Matchday income is the 3rd most important revenue for clubs, 4th most important if they are a CL club.

The biggest driver for turnover is Commercial, CL revenues and TV, look at the big ten 10-15 clubs turnover results on Doilette or Swiss Rambler and look how matchday revenue is dwarfed by Commercial and TV revenues.

Bayern Munich match day income is 17% of turnover and they have a turnover over £500 million.

Man City match day income is £52 million a year and they have a turnover over £500 million.

Our matchday income going from £14 million to £100 is laughable, if you're in London and can sell a season ticket for £1200 like Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea do with executive boxes sold to investment banks and oil companies with Caviar and champagne then yes £100 million a season is doable, In the city of Liverpool to get from 14-100 million in match day is nigh on impossible, our neighbours are at over £80 million and that is with CL revenues included and their massive international presence of fans.

To boost turnover and get a big jump from our £189 million to over £480-£500 million like them across the park then the commercial side has to go up by a considerable rate, right now that revenue stream is lacking badly.
 
Neiler said:
But an innital 52k stadium could generate additional funds, to fund an expansion to 60k, if the market proves there.

For example gate receipts at Goodison are about 12mill a season.

Newcastle with a capacity of 52k at SJP pull in 25 million.
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At least 20-25 million will be required just for us to meet the repayments on it.

I think there is a hidden agenda behind that though, as i believe where the debt for the stadium is not counted for FFP, the revenues generated from the new stadium are. So although we could only come out with only a small financial gain it will still allow us to pay more for wages etc. etc.
 
Perfect for us, this.

If we ever get to where, for example, Spurs are now, we'll expand to 62k. A number we'd all have been made up with. The stadium being a 52k seater will absolutely not stop us getting to that level. Rather, it'll help us.
 
The binman chronicles said:
At least 20-25 million will be required just for us to meet the repayments on it.

I think there is a hidden agenda behind that though, as i believe where the debt for the stadium is not counted for FFP, the revenues generated from the new stadium are. So although we could only come out with only a small financial gain it will still allow us to pay more for wages etc. etc.
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I’d disagree with you there 10-15 million I would think, 17 at a push over a period of 50 years. Pretty negligible really when out look at the revenue it creates, it’s well with our means. Use sponsoring the trading ground really, or perhaps interestingly.
 

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