New Everton Stadium

[DrEFC]

..not sure that’s totally accurate, the capacity reaction seems to be mixed.

Tbh I assumed a ton of cryarseing as that's Everton fan's MO. If our fans have been grown up about it, I'm happy.

 

[Jamalio Danubio DiCanio]

Can't be to do with physical space else we wouldn't have a possibility to expand to 62k at a later date. Easier to build bigger to start with than later on when the site is more developed and more hemmed in.

Is the increase in capacity due to more stands or a re-configure from seating to safe standing?

Feels like there's a lack of information on why the proposed ground is the size it is. There's a lack of information on how the expansion in capacity would happen. There's a lack of information in terms of cost of a 52k stadium versus a 52k then expansion to 62k versus a 62k stadium.

None of us know if we could fill a 62k stadium most weeks. I think we would on occasions but not that regularly. I think 52k we would fill every game. That's just a hunch though. That's not based on any research. The club will have done extensive research and will know the pricing structure for the new ground. Who know's they might be planning to lash another 100-200 quid on a season ticket once we move. That could have a massive impact on attendances.

Basically what I'm saying is that there are too many unknowns due to a lack of information on the decision making. The club would do well to be more transparent. In the meantime I think we need to trust the club's decision making. Even if we don't all agree with it on face value.

 

[Mozza1987]

As long as the design is top notch then I can live with 52000 since it's on the docks which will be class. Should have been at least 55000 though.

 

[davek]

I'm not sure safe standing will increase it dramatically, if at all. Those rail seats at Celtic are 1 for 1.

It depends on size of stadium exits, I think. If you have a stadium with sufficient size exits to allow efficient egress the standing area can be a ratio of 2:1 standing to every seat. I think the Bundesliga grounds can do that. They were mostly all new builds pre their WC.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Is the increase in capacity due to more stands or a re-configure from seating to safe standing?

With very quick maths (so I may be a little out), I doubt it could be done with just a conversion to safe standing. As @RobSpurs has mentioned there are rules governing angles of the stand etc. when dealing with SS. So for example if we have a 12k end, half of which is to be converted and with a generous 1.5 ratio that still only garners an extra 3k. To make up 10k we would need a lot of SS areas.

 

[The binman chronicles]

It depends on size of stadium exits, I think. If you have a stadium with sufficient size exits to allow efficient egress the standing area can be a ratio of 2:1 standing to every seat. I think the Bundesliga grounds can do that. They were mostly all new builds pre their WC.

They won't do it here. Just imagine 32k cramming into Spurs' new end. May be loads better than it used to be but still a potential for crushes to happen even if they did widen all the exits/entrances. If we get to one and a half to every seat I'll be amazed.

 

[MickA]

They won't do it here. Just imagine 32k cramming into Spurs' new end. May be loads better than it used to be but still a potential for crushes to happen even if they did widen all the exits/entrances. If we get to one and a half to every seat I'll be amazed.

It's not just exits, it's things like toilets and catering etc. As long as facilities can be built prefererably beforehand (or retrofitted) we'd be OK I'd imagine.

 

[efc.1878]

Anyone saying "we'll never increase the capacity" has simply created something to be upset about in their head.

The same people would have said "we're going to choose Stonebridge Cross" or similar baloney.

People who are saying "we'll never increase the capacity" are saying this because those exact words came out of Dan Meis's mouth less than 6 months. Due to the nature of the site, once it's built ... it's built.

They aren't simply creating something to get upset about in their head. They're saying exactly what the architect who's designing our stadium said not so long ago.

 

[paulbefc]

People who are saying "we'll never increase the capacity" are saying this because those exact words came out of Dan Meis's mouth less than 6 months. Due to the nature of the site, once it's built ... it's built.

They aren't simply creating something to get upset about in their head. They're saying exactly what the architect who's designing our stadium said not so long ago.

The club said yesterday we can increase capacity by 10k.

 

[Toffeeslam]

People who are saying "we'll never increase the capacity" are saying this because those exact words came out of Dan Meis's mouth less than 6 months. Due to the nature of the site, once it's built ... it's built.

They aren't simply creating something to get upset about in their head. They're saying exactly what the architect who's designing our stadium said not so long ago.

Dan Meis will work to the club’s brief and if they want a ground that can be expanded then he will have to deliver such a design that gives his client what they want.

He also said the maximum the site could support was just over 60k not so long ago either but he said quality was more important than the size

 

[H.H.]

Another point that I think has been missed about X capacity has always been the local authority being ok with the transport links to and from the stadium (and to be honest, God knows how Spurs got the permission for 62,000?)

EDIT;
After Hillsborough IF/When safe standing is again allowed I'm pretty sure it will be capped at a 1-1 ratio for many years, maybe forever?

 

[catcherintherye]

Love it how people are saying 60,000.

We have one of the cheapest tickets going
We offer big discounts on child and senior citizens
We have a low demand for corporate hospitality
A lot of people pay for there st in installments because they can't afford it
We struggle to sell our midweek games

But hey there's 20,000 people waiting for tickets apparantly

We keep our prices competitive. I wouldn't say they are massively cheap.

Our corporate hospitality is sold out, months in advance of the season. How would you define that as "low demand'?

I imagine ST will still be able to pay for ST via instalments. Having supporters too poor to pay in one hit is neither relevant to the discussion nor a point that should be used against our fans.

We do not "struggle" to sell out any game. Last season we sold out every home game. This season I can think of one that didn't fully sell out (and it would have done had the away allocation been taken in full). Again how can this be assessed as "struggling to sell out" midweek games?

We have in all likelihood outgrown our ground 10, perhaps even 20 years ago, given we regularly sold out, and pretty much sold every none obstructed view seat in this period. The inflation in the game in terms of viewers in that time has been around 50%. If the same was true of Everton (as a base figure) we would have an average attendance of around the mid 50's.

You then throw in that clubs who move get an uplift from 55%-100% in their average attendance and you can see very easily where we can jump an attendance of 39k to 60k.

Either way, lets not try and make out we struggle to sell out games as we don't. Lets also not assume we know how many additional we may have, given we have thousands and thousands who can't get tickets for home games, in an older ground, with poor facilities in a poor area of the city.

 

[Frang]

Always intrigued by this idea that you can just add another tier onto a stand when you choose. Why hadn't anyone thought of that, infinite capacity limits.

It's balonie

 

[Charro]

The only downside is there’s going to be a rise in ticket prices, but we should all be willing to accept that.

However, I pay £60 every month for my season ticket. By the time we have this stadium I expect I’ll have a lot more outgoings financially so I may have evaluate if I can really afford such expenditure.

We’ve been good with ticket prices though so I hope that continues.

We go on about this 10k waiting list but that’ll soon change if we start pricing people out.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

It's a cautious small time approach taken by uninspiring people. If you want to become a big club then you have to start acting like a big club.

52k isn't big enough. Anyone who thinks it is clearly hasn't paid attention the last 5 years. You always want room for growth too. You look forward and try to better yourself. This design is backward looking and trying to hold our position rather than move forward.

I think it's a let down. I think it's the wrong decision. We were planning on building a similar sized stadium in 2007/2008. No progression in a decade it seems. We will regret this.

My sentiments exactly. The media regard us as small-time because we keep proving that we ARE small-time.

We are just another Wolves or Newcastle United, except they'll both have bigger grounds than us.