New Everton Stadium

[ijjysmith]

well would you want a half arsed new stadium because the current board couldn't manage the project? one that looks shiney but provides no real gain compared to other new stadiums?

thats the danger here, it's not like we can build a new one in the future again, one shot at building it and it has to be done right, not cheap or half arsed but done right. Otherwise no there is no point.

You're a bit blinkered in the use of the stadium though. Currently we have little or no corporate use in the ground, which the new one could and probably would be used for. Could even be used for gigs and shows and so on to get extra income.

As for the 50k thing. We might fill that. We might now. Where has it been said that will be the capacity?

We need a new ground. We need a new board. But odds are we won't get the new board so have little choice about letting them loose on the whole thing. For better or worse.

 

[Kiwi]

Stade Pierre Mauroy (Lille's stadium) in my mind should be our aim, but perhaps 55 instead of 50k.
Multipurpose so could be used beyond the 45 days a year of football for concerts and other sporting events and as such would be much better as a money maker for us and the city.

Cost £206m pounds for the stadium and another £30m for parking and transport infrastructure as well as commercial developments. Probably looking at a similar cost here.

 

[DualityNSNO]

You're a bit blinkered in the use of the stadium though. Currently we have little or no corporate use in the ground, which the new one could and probably would be used for. Could even be used for gigs and shows and so on to get extra income.

As for the 50k thing. We might fill that. We might now. Where has it been said that will be the capacity?

We need a new ground. We need a new board. But odds are we won't get the new board so have little choice about letting them loose on the whole thing. For better or worse.

Well, Ash did say he's using 50k as a number for argument's sake...

I agree with you though, especially on the last bit.

 

[ijjysmith]

What's that from? Spider Man?

And it does sound like it could be a boss thread, but it'd be over in 5 posts really.

Think that was a Spiderman one yeah.

I'm sure we've been in stuff, but imagine where ever we are it's by accident. Like in Eastenders there was a NSNO 1878 in the garage on a whiteboard for ages!

 

[Ashtonian]

Right so now it seems that even if the club have got plans, permission and finances for a new stadium it's not worth the bother because it's not going to be good enough for some people, not only that if they ignore those people who it's not going to be good enough for it's going to set the club back 50 years because our players don't take personal grooming seriously enough.

its about advertising mate.

And about building a new ground, no point in building one if it didnt increase anything that we are lacking already. We dont need a new ground for a few extra seats or less obstructed views, we need it for marketing, for commerical, directors boxes (cant think of the term for it lol) and such. If the ground is just a plastic version of goodison then no, no point in building it

 

[DualityNSNO]

Think that was a Spiderman one yeah.

I'm sure we've been in stuff, but imagine where ever we are it's by accident. Like in Eastenders there was a NSNO 1878 in the garage on a whiteboard for ages!

Hahaha! Well, at least it's something... Would love for us to be marketed in the same way a lot of teams are to be honest, especially in films and TV - in Elementary there was a guy (played by Vinnie Jones, haha) who was an Arsenal fan and kept mentioning them and watching games and stuff... I'd be made up if he was singing about us and stuff, even if he was a bit of a killer, like.

Even Newcastle have proper films with them in it ffs! NEWCASTLE!

 

[Ashtonian]

You're a bit blinkered in the use of the stadium though. Currently we have little or no corporate use in the ground, which the new one could and probably would be used for. Could even be used for gigs and shows and so on to get extra income.

As for the 50k thing. We might fill that. We might now. Where has it been said that will be the capacity?

We need a new ground. We need a new board. But odds are we won't get the new board so have little choice about letting them loose on the whole thing. For better or worse.

see mate that was my point, about the current boards ability to build a new ground. We do need corporate servies and all of the above, so if the current board built a cheap option where the seats didnt increase much, corporate and commerical services didn't increase much and bar the stadium being shinier than what we have, it didn't advance us far enough in that direction, would you want spades in ground for that? As i said we get one shot at building the thing so everything has to be right here, not just a half arsed or cheap option.

We arent building an emirates by any means, but we need something that will last us 50 years, and will give us a foothold at least in the first 10 of them to build something off the pitch. I just dont believe our current board has any forward thinking to anything other than a new stadium period. No forward thinking, no real idea of what we need and no desire to run costs up in any way to increase what we need.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

its about advertising mate.

And about building a new ground, no point in building one if it didnt increase anything that we are lacking already. We dont need a new ground for a few extra seats or less obstructed views, we need it for marketing, for commerical, directors boxes (cant think of the term for it lol) and such. If the ground is just a plastic version of goodison then no, no point in building it

The last building project the club under took has proved a great success. In fact it's one of the leading training facilities in the Europe.

 

[Ashtonian]

The last building project the club under took has proved a great success. In fact it's one of the leading training facilities in the Europe.

And who now owns it mate?

For all the planning of it the board then went and sold it, in fact it has been sold twice since built. The board aren't going to sell ownership of the stadium like but financial wise surely it must concern you? Im not talking about not getting a new ground, im talking about a half arsed attempt which doesn't benefit us to a great extent.

 

[neil999]

maybe we could all these chaps from syria to build it on the cheap? come on bill think outside the box

 

[bluestevon]

The last building project the club under took has proved a great success. In fact it's one of the leading training facilities in the Europe.

Shame we dont own it like

 

[barneygumble]

Stade Pierre Mauroy (Lille's stadium) in my mind should be our aim, but perhaps 55 instead of 50k.
Multipurpose so could be used beyond the 45 days a year of football for concerts and other sporting events and as such would be much better as a money maker for us and the city.

Cost £206m pounds for the stadium and another £30m for parking and transport infrastructure as well as commercial developments. Probably looking at a similar cost here.

You've got to look to the future when building a stadium, and whilst 50,000 might not be sustainable at this present moment in time, in 10 years time it may well be, and we will be annoyed at not having a bigger stadium. I know one of my main 'stay away' points from goodison last season, was that there were so many ST holders, that it was extremely difficult to get a season which wasn't obstructed, luckily, a lot didn't renew and has eased this substantially this year, i'm sure however, there are a lot of fans in the same boat as me, who won't go to sit behind an obstruction for something like Hull City in midweek at home, the week before christmas.

55,000 presents an opportunity for slightly cheaper tickets, in order to get bums on seats, to get a new generation of fans in for cheap you could easily stick a family enclosure in one corner with Dad and Lad for £299. As for the concerts etc... due to excessive costs and such, you'll find that most bands would probably skip out Liverpool entirely, and just use Manchester, which has a far greater catchment area than Liverpool, (Leeds, Chester, Sheffield, North Wales, Blackpool etcc, are all accessible by train running after 11, whereas Liverpool has one train to Manchester, although you could argue, this would help with hotels), but it could easily host International Football, Rugby Games (League and Union), European finals.

However, doing this would require Everton to spend money. Therefore, all invalid. Not happening.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

And who now owns it mate?

For all the planning of it the board then went and sold it, in fact it has been sold twice since built. The board aren't going to sell ownership of the stadium like but financial wise surely it must concern you? Im not talking about not getting a new ground, im talking about a half arsed attempt which doesn't benefit us to a great extent.

I've just pointed out to you the club designed that in house and it's not half arsed, in fact it's far from half arsed and is in fact one of the best sporting facilities in Europe. Therefore there's no reason to expect them to cut corners and deliver a sub standard stadium as you're predicting.

 

[MickA]

I know one of my main 'stay away' points from goodison last season, was that there were so many ST holders, that it was extremely difficult to get a season which wasn't obstructed

It's a really important point that and one unfortunately I'm sure we'll still be discussing in 2020.

 

[Dymak]

Talk of concerts isn't realistic. Not only is it the promoters who make most of the money (if people actually turn up) but there is no longer a demand for that caper, and if there is, then there are far, far better locations than Walton throughout the Northwest to hold such an event, including two alternatives in the City of Liverpool and superior alternatives in Manchester.

Stoke and Sunderland have irregular crap concerts at their stadiums, but they aren't making loads of money from them. Sunderland can't even get a sponsor for their stadium, and yet many think we will get a great deal when it comes to sponsoring our new stadium.