New Everton Stadium

[Tom Hughes]

Corporate accounts will book out exec boxes at our new stadium just because it’s something to do in the city centre and easy to get to. Business people with no affiliation to Everton are not going to get themselves to Goodison if they’re on an overnighter in the Hilton no matter how good we make it.

So why only 20 boxes? Yet Anfield comfortably fills over 64 at its current site?

 

[Tom Hughes]

won’t we have to leave Goodison and play else where while this phased redevelopment takes place ?
Where would the heavy machinery go whilst we are knocking down stands and rebuilding them ?

what impact will this have on the local residents and the school that’s there ?

what about the traffic and disruption this will cause to the community whilst this redevelopment takes place ?

how long will this take and how can you be sure it’s more viable and commercially when we won’t have a ground or as in the best case scenario (which won’t happen cause of the footprint) Goodison with a drastically reduced capacity?

How will this help the club compete financially when up against a new build stadium on the docks and would the redeveloped Goodison still lumber is with thousands of obstructing views ?

LFC didn't have to relocate during redevelopment..... nor have several others. If you tead the PDF that I posted, it is explained.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Goodison Park Redevelopment: Ideas

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The pdf on this thread illustrates some options that could at least match anything achieved at Anfield.... or indeed several other redeveloped stadia.

Looking at those pictures of just the BR expansion tell you why it would be difficult. The rebuilt stand would be twice the current width, then you'll need at least twice the space that there is outside of the stand now for the extra number of supporters. You are talking at least 80 odd houses and a school. If someone doesn't want to move it will take years to resolve.

What's the kicker though is the Kirkby stand comparison, which is another 50% larger again. It is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and that is before you factor in naming rights and the prime location and the fact that the club needs a fresh start not a 20 odd year project of rebuilding stand by stand and still not be up to modern standards. With that length of time passing by the time you get to the last part you are probably going to be paying the best part of 250 million for the one stand. It doesn't make sense on any level.

The only reason to redevelop Goodison would be if all moves fell through and we had very limited budget. Then the PE could gain a second tier and then the backs of the BR and GS could be closed getting rid of the worst seats in the house and actually with less capacity it wouldn't be as crowded in those areas. Cantilever the roofs of the 3 stands and then most seats in the ground will be unobstructed with a capacity around 40k.

 

[Toffeeslam]

LFC didn't have to relocate during redevelopment..... nor have several others. If you tead the PDF that I posted, it is explained.

With respect Liverpool and others are a different case to Goodison

Liverpool bought up houses and left them to rot for decades before knocking them down and expanding the footprint. Goodison is hemmed in on 3 sides with a main road coming at an angle and the church further hampering things so unless we do the same with the school and Muriel and Diane St we can’t do that at Goodison without having to put the cranes and heavy machinery on the pitch.

This will mean playing somewhere else for at least a season like Spurs had to do

 

[Tom Hughes]

Look at the cost of that to the local community, housesbought, left derelict forcing those left to give in and move on. LFC destroyed their lives and you are asking the same of EFC in Walton

GP is just a pile of brick, concrete, steel girders and an awful corrugated roof, it would require complete demolition and rebuild.

Firstly, like LFC, EFC and their stadia long predate any local residents who may have chosen to move next door to them in the knowledge that one day they may wish to expand.

Secondly, EFC have already knocked down dozens of houses at both the Park end and Gwladys Street ends of the ground. In fact we did it long before LFC.... so let's not try to claim that moral high ground, as that horse has long bolted, if it ever existed at all. Or did you complain when those happened?

Thirdly, literally thousands of homes have been knocked down all over Liverpool for various redevelopment schemes. Why wouldn't the world famous Goodison merit similar consideration as a joint venture redevelopment catalysts for our side of Stanley Park?

 

[andy4efc]

Regardless of whether it has been done before, or they have done it.

Why would you want to knock people out of their houses?

Goodison isn't being re-developed, it just isn't.

BMD is the way forward.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Firstly, like LFC, EFC and their stadia long predate any local residents who may have chosen to move next door to them in the knowledge that one day they may wish to expand.

Secondly, EFC have already knocked down dozens of houses at both the Park end and Gwladys Street ends of the ground. In fact we did it long before LFC.... so let's not try to claim that moral high ground, as that horse has long bolted, if it ever existed at all. Or did you complain when those happened?

Thirdly, literally thousands of homes have been knocked down all over Liverpool for various redevelopment schemes. Why wouldn't the world famous Goodison merit similar consideration as a joint venture redevelopment catalysts for our side of Stanley Park?

Why are we even discussing this when the club put in planning permission for a brand new state-of-the-art stadium?

 

[Tom Hughes]

Looking at those pictures of just the BR expansion tell you why it would be difficult. The rebuilt stand would be twice the current width, then you'll need at least twice the space that there is outside of the stand now for the extra number of supporters. You are talking at least 80 odd houses and a school. If someone doesn't want to move it will take years to resolve.

What's the kicker though is the Kirkby stand comparison, which is another 50% larger again. It is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and that is before you factor in naming rights and the prime location and the fact that the club needs a fresh start not a 20 odd year project of rebuilding stand by stand and still not be up to modern standards. With that length of time passing by the time you get to the last part you are probably going to be paying the best part of 250 million for the one stand. It doesn't make sense on any level.

The only reason to redevelop Goodison would be if all moves fell through and we had very limited budget. Then the PE could gain a second tier and then the backs of the BR and GS could be closed getting rid of the worst seats in the house and actually with less capacity it wouldn't be as crowded in those areas. Cantilever the roofs of the 3 stands and then most seats in the ground will be unobstructed with a capacity around 40k.

You obviously haven't read the full PDF.

Modern CPO laws mean that it wouldn't need anything like 20yrs. Once LFC were given planning permmission, the process followed very quickly and the stand followed soon after.

You also need to remember that over one third of the capacity of that new

With respect Liverpool and others are a different case to Goodison

Liverpool bought up houses and left them to rot for decades before knocking them down and expanding the footprint. Goodison is hemmed in on 3 sides with a main road coming at an angle and the church further hampering things so unless we do the same with the school and Muriel and Diane St we can’t do that at Goodison without having to put the cranes and heavy machinery on the pitch.

This will mean playing somewhere else for at least a season like Spurs had to do

With respect Liverpool and others are a different case to Goodison

Liverpool bought up houses and left them to rot for decades before knocking them down and expanding the footprint. Goodison is hemmed in on 3 sides with a main road coming at an angle and the church further hampering things so unless we do the same with the school and Muriel and Diane St we can’t do that at Goodison without having to put the cranes and heavy machinery on the pitch.

This will mean playing somewhere else for at least a season like Spurs had to do

Liverpool didn't own all the houses around Anfield. There were several on Anfield Rd and adjacent streets that were still occupied right up to the planning permission being granted. Some had even been fully modernised.

On the Bullens side only 2 streets abutt this side. The school has been earmarked for redevelopment/relocation for yrs and a joint venture development could create some enabling. Just a 20-30m expansion on that side would comfortably yield enough footprint and several architects and the city planners have agreed with that assessment.

The Park end can literally be as big as any end stand in the country....... there would be no need to relocate at all as the capacity need no drop below its current level. Spurs relocated because they were moving the pitch dramatically. We dont have that problem.

 

[dvm2378]

Why are we even discussing this when the club put in planning permission for a brand new state-of-the-art stadium?

Because if some can't moan about players there has to be something else to get negative about

 

[Tom Hughes]

Why are we even discussing this when the club put in planning permission for a brand new state-of-the-art stadium?

No-one is making anyone discuss anything. I was merely responding to an assertion that GP's redevelopment is unviable..... with some reservations about BMD. The PDF is a few years old, and most of its content is well over a decade older again. It's not a new news or a new discussion, yet some still blindly ignorant comments.

 

[firefighterblue]

Firstly, like LFC, EFC and their stadia long predate any local residents who may have chosen to move next door to them in the knowledge that one day they may wish to expand.

Secondly, EFC have already knocked down dozens of houses at both the Park end and Gwladys Street ends of the ground. In fact we did it long before LFC.... so let's not try to claim that moral high ground, as that horse has long bolted, if it ever existed at all. Or did you complain when those happened?

Thirdly, literally thousands of homes have been knocked down all over Liverpool for various redevelopment schemes. Why wouldn't the world famous Goodison merit similar consideration as a joint venture redevelopment catalysts for our side of Stanley Park?

I've said this before. Liverpool decimated the area around their ground. They bought loads of surrounding houses them left them empty to rot and get burnt out. This was done to get other residents to leave and sell up But two old lady's kept them waiting over 20 years till they died. Do we really want to go down this road. Loads of residents in anfield hate lfc for what they did to their area

 

[DanB90]

I've said this before. Liverpool decimated the area around their ground. They bought loads of surrounding houses them left them empty to rot and get burnt out. This was done to get other residents to leave and sell up But two old lady's kept them waiting over 20 years till they died. Do we really want to go down this road. Loads of residents in anfield hate lfc for what they did to their area

Yeah, but he’s got a pdf and everything mate.

 

[zebedee]

So why only 20 boxes? Yet Anfield comfortably fills over 64 at its current site?

Probably due to customer feedback. I'll be honest I prefer corporate days in the lounge than in a box. There are also certain rules especially in the finance industry restricting such things. Companies tend to now block book seating via season tickets

 

[Ralphie Boy]

So lets just stay in the [Poor language removed] tip they call Goodison having the shoite on the hill overlooking little old Everton as opposed to moving to a fantastic new stadium that the first thing visiting cruise ships will see is us!!!

GP has had its time now we must move on.

 

[RobSpurs]

So why only 20 boxes? Yet Anfield comfortably fills over 64 at its current site?

Man Utd - 200
Arsenal - 150 (when it was built, will be lower now)
Spurs - 77
Liverpool - 64
New Chelsea Stadium - 44
New Everton Stadium - 20

Now, there's a move away from boxes towards bigger, open lounges. There are fewer boxes at our new stadium than there were at White Hart Lane. Arsenal have been tearing out some of their boxes to create open lounges in recent years too.

“I think the box market has changed and is definitely changing,” project architect Christopher Lee, managing director EMEA, Populous, told SportBusiness. “I think the sports business has traditionally built 150-plus boxes in these stadiums and ended up forcing a lot of predominantly small-to-medium enterprises into them. But a private box is a huge commitment, not just for the financials of actually buying the box, but getting six staff and six clients, week-in week-out to fill them.”

Lee said Tottenham had opted to develop a smaller number of “bigger, higher-end” private suites to target larger corporations and high-net worth individuals, but a more diverse array of intermediate “products” to cater for a variety of client needs further down the chain. Overall, Lee estimated there are 19 different hospitality products between general admission tickets and the highest specification “Super Lounges” in the new venue.

The newest innovation in the stadium is the introduction of ‘loge suites’ that allow groups of four to six people to take a dining booth in a shared communal box. Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy said the idea was inspired by recent stadium builds in the US. “A lot of people now don’t want a full box, so this is a small area within an open space where you have your own booth and it’s semi-private,” he said.

New Tottenham stadium has fewer corporate boxes as club seeks ‘democratic’ hospitality approach

Tottenham Hotspur has installed fewer corporate boxes at its new stadium as it looks to target a more diverse range of clients with a more flexible hospitality approach. The new arena…

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20 does seem low, but I wouldn't get too hung up on number of boxes.

More significant maybe is the fact that - regardless of the type of offering - BMD will have about half the amount of "Premium" seats (40000ish) compared to stadiums like NWHL and Anfield. The plan seems to be a significant increase on the £14m Goodison brings in rather than worrying too much about what's going on anywhere else.