New Everton Stadium

[Brisan123]

What you say about the Old Lady is correct. It is all brick, concrete, steel girders, limited views and poor access, most importantly small capacity.

I was talking about the pit


But you knew that lol

 

[The binman chronicles]

You obviously haven't read the full PDF.

Modern CPO laws mean that it wouldn't need anything like 20yrs. Once LFC were given planning permmission, the process followed very quickly and the stand followed soon after.

You also need to remember that over one third of the capacity of that new



Liverpool didn't own all the houses around Anfield. There were several on Anfield Rd and adjacent streets that were still occupied right up to the planning permission being granted. Some had even been fully modernised.

On the Bullens side only 2 streets abutt this side. The school has been earmarked for redevelopment/relocation for yrs and a joint venture development could create some enabling. Just a 20-30m expansion on that side would comfortably yield enough footprint and several architects and the city planners have agreed with that assessment.

The Park end can literally be as big as any end stand in the country....... there would be no need to relocate at all as the capacity need no drop below its current level. Spurs relocated because they were moving the pitch dramatically. We dont have that problem.

Don't think you fully read my post so why would I read that whole document (again) as I did years ago when the pictures were first released. In terms of Anfield they said the CPO would be used as a last resort after the club had negotiated a high percentage of the rest. That could take years to get to that stage and a few legal challenges beyond that.

I was an advocate of staying at Goodison for many a year but since the fact we want to build a new stadium in a prime location, which will eventually become the heart of the city. You would have to be a loon to want to stay at Goodison. If we redevelop it to look totally different then it will take away what is special about going there now anyhow.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So why only 20 boxes? Yet Anfield comfortably fills over 64 at its current site?

They have a far bigger brand than us due to decades of dominance when the majority of today’s corporate consumers were growing up. We should have been more ambitious in our build of Bramley-Moore Moore though and especially the exec boxes, but thinking big and the Everton board do no go together.

 

[Tom Hughes]

I've said this before. Liverpool decimated the area around their ground. They bought loads of surrounding houses them left them empty to rot and get burnt out. This was done to get other residents to leave and sell up But two old lady's kept them waiting over 20 years till they died. Do we really want to go down this road. Loads of residents in anfield hate lfc for what they did to their area

The two old ladies were on the Kemlyn Rd side in the 70's- 80's. That wouldn't happen nowadays as new CPO laws would speed up the process. The houses around GP are literally the cheapest houses near to ANY football stadium in the UK. We would also not need to knock whole streets down to add say 5,000-8,000 on that side alone.... making it a completely unobstructed stand, with new lounge spaces and boxes and a proper overlapping format bringing everyone closer to the action in a more traditional format.

 

[Brisan123]

So why only 20 boxes? Yet Anfield comfortably fills over 64 at its current site?

That’s all Usmanov is prepared to buy at 5 m each per season

 

[Lanolin]

No-one is making anyone discuss anything. I was merely responding to an assertion that GP's redevelopment is unviable..... with some reservations about BMD. The PDF is a few years old, and most of its content is well over a decade older again. It's not a new news or a new discussion, yet some still blindly ignorant comments.

Imagine having the gall to say families should be kicked out of their homes 'because we were here first' and then accusing other people of being blindingly ignorant. Oh, you don't have to.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

Looking forward to it. PP should be forthcoming, getting past any opposition / getting funding is quite another thing.

But our seats will be made of recycled ocean plastic. Stop ruining stuff.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Don't think you fully read my post so why would I read that whole document (again) as I did years ago when the pictures were first released. In terms of Anfield they said the CPO would be used as a last resort after the club had negotiated a high percentage of the rest. That could take years to get to that stage and a few legal challenges beyond that.

I was an advocate of staying at Goodison for many a year but since the fact we want to build a new stadium in a prime location, which will eventually become the heart of the city. You would have to be a loon to want to stay at Goodison. If we redevelop it to look totally different then it will take away what is special about going there now anyhow.

I read your post completely.... i had answered most of your assertions using scale site drawings and sketches.

I prefer facts and figures. BMD will never be the heart of the city. At the very best it will be at the very edge of a waterfront extension of the city centre. A site neighbouring a sewage plant, that is literally only a couple of hundred metres closer to Lime Street Stn than Goodison is now..... but with only a tiny fraction of the road traffic lanes serving it from all directions.

Clarence Dock would've been better logistically (and in terms of enabling potential), and the Loop site was bigger and would've been far superior again as it literally is on top of town with several thoroughfares feeding it in all directions.

However the bottom line is, if BMD is the great solution it should stand up to comparison and scrutiny..... and just like Kirkby we're still yet to see the redevelopment options. Spurs and Arsenal could publish plans for redevelopment of their old grounds..... we still haven't!

 

[Tom Hughes]

Imagine having the gall to say families should be kicked out of their homes 'because we were here first' and then accusing other people of being blindingly ignorant. Oh, you don't have to.

Imagine going on about moving a few people out of their homes (with full remuneration and/or new better homes) when you never said a thing when the club did it previously? It's a nonsense nothing argument by way of distraction. What about the Jelly fish? The mind boggles

 

[Utop1st]

It looks stunning. Can't wait.

 

[Lanolin]

Imagine going on about moving a few people out of their homes (with full remuneration and/or new better homes) when you never said a thing when the club did it previously? It's a nonsense nothing argument by way of distraction. What about the Jelly fish? The mind boggles

So because it has happened before it's fine to happen again? Shall we bring back slavery as well while we're at it? Bet you never kicked off about that in 1820 did you, so why should you be concerned now? Doesn't look like it takes much to boggle your mind Tom.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I read your post completely.... i had answered most of your assertions using scale site drawings and sketches.

I prefer facts and figures. BMD will never be the heart of the city. At the very best it will be at the very edge of a waterfront extension of the city centre. A site neighbouring a sewage plant, that is literally only a couple of hundred metres closer to Lime Street Stn than Goodison is now..... but with only a tiny fraction of the road traffic lanes serving it from all directions.

Clarence Dock would've been better logistically (and in terms of enabling potential), and the Loop site was bigger and would've been far superior again as it literally is on top of town with several thoroughfares feeding it in all directions.

However the bottom line is, if BMD is the great solution it should stand up to comparison and scrutiny..... and just like Kirkby we're still yet to see the redevelopment options. Spurs and Arsenal could publish plans for redevelopment of their old grounds..... we still haven't!

Weren't they included in the announcement of the design back in the summer?

 

[Brisan123]

Imagine going on about moving a few people out of their homes (with full remuneration and/or new better homes) when you never said a thing when the club did it previously? It's a nonsense nothing argument by way of distraction. What about the Jelly fish? The mind boggles

Tom genuine question
Are you an architect or involved in the building industry
In 10 years on here all your posts are solely on ground moves / new builds and redevelopment of Goodison Park
With a 10 yr gap in postings
Nothing at all on the team

 

[Tom Hughes]

They have a far bigger brand than us due to decades of dominance when the majority of today’s corporate consumers were growing up. We should have been more ambitious in our build of Bramley-Moore Moore though and especially the exec boxes, but thinking big and the Everton board do no go together.

I don't disagree about their dominance etc but there are non-league clubs with more than 20 boxes. We're supposedly building for the future and corporate offering is less dependent on affiliation as shown by Spurs having as much corporate as Arsenal despite the disparity in success..... and Even little old Brentford having 3000 corporate seats.

So because it has happened before it's fine to happen again? Shall we bring back slavery as well while we're at it? Bet you never kicked off about that in 1820 did you, so why should you be concerned now? Doesn't look like it takes much to boggle your mind Tom.

Were either of us alive in 1820? Where you alive in 1993 and afterwards when they cleared that end and Goodison Avenue....? If not you can rest assured that no-one batted an eyelid when they knocked down over 70 houses at the Park end. It was just accepted that Everton needed to build a new stand. The same happened all over the country. Far more houses have been knocked down at several sites in Liverpool since then. This would be a tiny requirement in comparison to all of those developments. So, no need for the faux disdain because LFC did what we'd done previously.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I don't disagree about their dominance etc but there are non-league clubs with more than 20 boxes. We're supposedly building for the future and corporate offering is less dependent on affiliation as shown by Spurs having as much corporate as Arsenal despite the disparity in success..... and Even little old Brentford having 3000 corporate seats.


Were either of us alive in 1820? Where you alive in 1993 and afterwards when they cleared that end and Goodison Avenue....? If not you can rest assured that no-one batted an eyelid when they knocked down over 70 houses at the Park end. It was just accepted that Everton needed to build a new stand. The same happened all over the country. Far more houses have been knocked down at several sites in Liverpool since then. This would be a tiny requirement in comparison to all of those developments. So, no need for the faux disdain because LFC did what we'd done previously.

Could we not just build a new stadium somewhere without the cost and complication of purchasing, demolishing and clearing a load of houses that people live in?

Maybe we could do something like this with the old place?

A community-led legacy for North Liverpool – The People's Project

www.peoples-project.co.uk