New Everton Stadium

[Whistlin' Dixie]

The issue with the playing fields is that there would be no such room for an enabler, it would be a stadium only.

While WCPF has no 'enabler' as such, It's big enough for a 50-60k stadium plus maybe a few houses/shops/pubs etc There's also the 'oller' between Gt Mersey St and Lemon St, plus the (relatively) small amount of green space on Commercial Rd opposite that goes all the way up to the junction with Melrose & Stanley Rds) that could be included, too - even in part. Not as big an impact as WHP at least, I estimate.

It's not far from 'Project Jennifer' with greaty market and a massive (although now scaled-down, I believe) Sainsbury's within walking distance, not sure if it'd be too far away to be included - or whether we've missed the boat; but that area's already under development.

 

[bizzaro]

Esk has spelt it out for you, but you still seem to be struggling with the basic business premise.

Why build a stadium that's probably at least 10k beyond the realistic short term demand and thus sink £6k per seat into 10k seats that you're not going to sell at a rate that will provide a sensible return on the capital invested?

You've quoted the RS and ignored the logic within their choice to expand capacity in a piecemeal manner. Build it, prove you can fill it at prices per seat that justify the capital cost, and then look to invest further to add further capacity. If the initial expansion doesn't sell out at top rates every other week, then you leave it as it stands until such time that you consider further expansion necessary.

Esk may have spelt out his case. However, I don't necessarily agree with the entire case spelt out.

Fact is you're not actually adding anything to the discussion here and you've not addressed the business case for EFC needing headroom capacity once.

Maybe you should.

Show a little ambition.

 

[The Esk]

Esk may have spelt out his case. However, I don't necessarily agree with the entire case spelt out.

Which parts do you disagree with? Happy to explain further.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Esk may have spelt out his case. However, I don't necessarily agree with the entire case spelt out.

Fact is you're not actually adding anything to the discussion here and you've not addressed the business case for EFC needing headroom capacity once.

Maybe you should.

Show a little ambition.

I disagree with your idea that building a 65k stadium is what the club should be aiming for.

I've explained why I disagree with it.

I think that's called adding something to the discussion Damo.

A 55k arena would be showing ambition given its nearly 40% bigger than what we have now.

 

[ste d' indica]

Please God not again.

#neverforget31/1/16
#prayfordamo

 

[bizzaro]

I disagree with your idea that building a 65k stadium is what the club should be aiming for.

I've explained why I disagree with it.

I think that's called adding something to the discussion Damo.

A 55k arena would be showing ambition given its nearly 40% bigger than what we have now.

Yes but lower capacity than 40% of the league within 5 years.

Ambition. Yeah right!

@davek

 

[DrEFC]

Yes but lower capacity than 40% of the league within 5 years.

Ambition. Yeah right!

@davek

Fair enough. Lets be ambitious, and seeing you're a knowledge on all things- how to we get extra bums on seats at full price? Is it just Scouse diaspora (as tbf RS/Mancs fans travel an average of 80+miles compared to our 40), or do we make competitive tourist packages? Maybe involve local hotel/tours?

 

[TheFinnFan]

IS IT READY ALREADY!?

 

[mythbuster]

IF we don't re-develop and that is my preferred option I could live with a new build on the WCP...so long as it was done well
But I have a nagging doubt that if we build a 50k+ stadium we will have it 2/3rds most times.
Unless they bunk up the prices to the 77quid or similar attempted by the rs, it won't make any real difference in the grand scheme of things.

Re do Goodison one side at a time...gate money is not important now, time does not matter to much

Always an option mate, but I'd prefer us to have a bit of vision Don't even get me started on why I think we should build an indoor stadium

 

[DualityNSNO]

Yes but lower capacity than 40% of the league within 5 years.

Ambition. Yeah right!

@davek

Not understanding how an argument works because he picked on a single word and nothing else. Classic Damo!

@joebocop

 

[The Esk]

Yes but lower capacity than 40% of the league within 5 years.

Ambition. Yeah right!

@davek

Why would an investor spend additional capital on capacity which may not be utilised or is not likely (if addition debt is required) to produce a positive cash flow?

Surely the sensible route is build with a contingency to expand if necessary?

Additionally we have to consider the relevance of an additional £2.5 million a year (assuming we could sell an additional 5,000 seats per game if capacity was taken to 60k instead of 55k) against say, turnover of £200 million in 5 years time assuming we increase merit award (prize money), commercial, sponsorship as well as match day revenues.

Being 8th or 10th in capacity terms pails into insignificance compared to executive seating capacity, merit payments and commercial/sponsorship "league tables", that's where the focus is required.

 

[bizzaro]

Why would an investor spend additional capital on capacity which may not be utilised or is not likely (if addition debt is required) to produce a positive cash flow?

Surely the sensible route is build with a contingency to expand if necessary?

Additionally we have to consider the relevance of an additional £2.5 million a year (assuming we could sell an additional 5,000 seats per game if capacity was taken to 60k instead of 55k) against say, turnover of £200 million in 5 years time assuming we increase merit award (prize money), commercial, sponsorship as well as match day revenues.

Being 8th or 10th in capacity terms pails into insignificance compared to executive seating capacity, merit payments and commercial/sponsorship "league tables", that's where the focus is required.

5000 on premier league games alone is £4 million a year.

Cup games. Say around £5 to 6 million

That's potentially one or two good players a year in wages.

The difference perhaps in a league winning side or not.

I fear we build a stadium. Then find we are too constrained by it. Whilst our competitors have bigger stadia. We are left wishing we did more.

Remember. Premier league rules limit TV money wage spending increases.

Not enough ambition for me anything less than 60,000

 

[The Esk]

5000 on premier league games alone is £4 million a year.

£42 per seat net? When has Everton ever achieved that? We currently achieve a little over £20 a seat.

I don't think you can budget for cup games, that's not guaranteed revenue.

As I said earlier, we should build contingencies that would allow us to increase capacity but in my opinion we should build beyond realistic demand in the first instance.

 

[kithnou]

5000 on premier league games alone is £4 million a year.

Cup games. Say around £5 to 6 million

That's potentially one or two good players a year in wages.

The difference perhaps in a league winning side or not.

I fear we build a stadium. Then find we are too constrained by it. Whilst our competitors have bigger stadia. We are left wishing we did more.

Remember. Premier league rules limit TV money wage spending increases.

Not enough ambition for me anything less than 60,000

Just to clarify, are you saying 55k seating and 5k executive seating for your 60k? Or 60k just seating for regular fans?

 

[bizzaro]

£42 per seat net? When has Everton ever achieved that? We currently achieve a little over £20 a seat.

I don't think you can budget for cup games, that's not guaranteed revenue.

As I said earlier, we should build contingencies that would allow us to increase capacity but in my opinion we should build beyond realistic demand in the first instance.

I'd just say to Mr Moshiri

REMEMBER THE PARK END REVAMP.

No where near big enough.


Thus could turn into short termism quick fix thinking.

Which we have suffered from since Peter Johnson at least.

Think longer term.

That's what I'd tell him.