mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Hey Esk, do you agree with me that the playing fields would be a much better location than WHP?
Hey Esk, do you agree with me that the playing fields would be a much better location than WHP?
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
I do mate, yes.
3rd Generation
Player Valuation: £225k
I think the loop is a great site, close to the city centre, in Everton (just) I've heard a lot say it's to small and restricted, but if you look at it in satellite view in Google maps you will see that were the A59 comes out of the tunnel and goes round the loop, it is significantly below ground level, so it would be fairly straightforward to cover it so as the site could follow Great Homer street / St Anne street and cross Juvenal street as far as Chaucer street.
This would give great access both vehicle, public transport and walk up plus brings all the city centre pubs, restaurants and hotels into play.
This would give great access both vehicle, public transport and walk up plus brings all the city centre pubs, restaurants and hotels into play.
As they only allow 55% of them to be season ticket holders, it is an artificially made waiting list. They don't want season ticket
holders, they want "customers". Most of them seem have season tickets to the pub I frequent. Horrible they are too.
Fresh Prince of Belle Val
Player Valuation: £35m
What type of Brandy?
Nice aged bottle of Calvados.
I hope the pheasant is not dry, if it is I want Moyes out!!!
Whistlin' Dixie
Player Valuation: £50m
William Collins playing fields for me. It's yards away from one of only 5 train stations that are linked to the national, Ormskirk, Kirkby, Northern and Wirral lines. The whole area is destitute..... If we build in WHP, I'll fume at the lack of foresight. Much as I'm laughing at the RS now for building in a ghetto
I've been banging that drum for beards! Total no-brainer!
Sandhills train station <200 yds away, with trains in & out every five minutes. (View of the barn from platform blocked by view of the palace basking in all it's glory)
Several bus routes within 300yds.
Car parking < 1/2 mile away (Regent Rd, Stanley warehouse etc).
'Project Jennifer' (Urban regeneration) 600 yards away.
Close proximity to city centre (1 mile approx)
Waterfront view
No need or any permissions/ leasehold from peel holdings.
Beezer of a site! Nowhere else should be considered (If we MUST move, that is)
Librarian
Player Valuation: £70m
Remy Martin Black Pearl (*thanks Google)
royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
Yates used to have a good brandy.
Fresh Prince of Belle Val
Player Valuation: £35m
I'll renew then.
Whistlin' Dixie
Player Valuation: £50m
Trust me - It's big enough, all right
If you zoom out a little bit on google maps to include Goodison (Look NE from WC Fields) the you can get a bit more of an idea.
I also forgot to mention that there are also a few boozers in that area that have been shut down that could easily be refurbished (Perhaps one or two by the club itself?)
We really need a 50K+ Stadium eh?
Via TOFFEEWEB;
THE POST-WAR ERA
Crowds were big, despite three seasons in the Second Division. And the glorious 60s saw the return of Everton as one of the biggest clubs in the country. But the 70s saw the crowds dropping off and the 80s were a bad era for English football. Progressive reductions in ground capacity at Goodison continued until Everton briefly came good under Howard Kendall but the crowds soon fell away before the Premiership resurgence really got going...
1949-50 43,932 (7) 1963-64 49,401 (1) 1977-78 39,513 (4)
1950-51 42,924 (4) 1964-65 42,062 (2) 1978-79 35,456 (5)
1951-52 37,391 (11) 1965-66 38,498 (3) 1979-80 28,711 (7)
1952-53 32,629 (12) 1966-67 42,606 (3) 1980-81 26,105 (9)
1953-54 44,493 (4) 1967-68 46,983 (2) 1981-82 24,674 (8)
1954-55 46,394 (2) 1968-69 45,958 (3) 1982-83 20,277 (9)
1955-56 42,768 (1) 1969-70 49,531 (2) 1983-84 19,343 (11)
1956-57 35,076 (7) 1970-71 41,090 (4) 1984-85 31,984 (3)
1957-58 39,157 (5) 1971-72 37,242 (7) 1985-86 32,227 (3)
1958-59 39,171 (6) 1972-73 34,471 (6) 1986-87 32,935 (3)
1959-60 40,788 (3) 1973-74 35,351 (4) 1987-88 27,771 (4)
1960-61 43,448 (2) 1974-75 40,021 (3) 1988-89 27,765 (4)
1961-62 41,432 (2) 1975-76 27,115 (12) 1989-90 26,820 (7)
1962-63 51,603 (1) 1976-77 30,046 (11) 1990-91 25,028 (9)
1991-92 23,148 (10)
tbf, I would say that our attendances were more or less tracking the national trend
THE PREMIER LEAGUE YEARS
In 1992, Sky invented football... Initially with the advent of the Premier League, despite Everton's abysmal league record (until recently) crowds were far better than the late 1970s and 1980s:
1992-93 19,504 (10) 1999-2k 34,828 (8) 2006-07 36,738 (7)
1993-94 22,876 (11*) 2000-01 33,945 (10) 2007-08 36,955 (9)
1994-95 31,291 (6) 2001-02 34,004 (10) 2008-09 35,667 (10)
1995-96 35,294 (?) 2002-03 38,820 (7) 2009-10 36,725 (8)
1996-97 36,186 (5) 2003-04 38,943 (5) 2010-11 36,039 (9)
1997-98 35,355 (6) 2004-05 36,834 (8) 2011-12 33,288 (10)
1998-99 36,203 (5) 2005-06 36,704 (7) 2012-13 36,358 (8)
2013-14 37,732 (8)
* Park End Stand being reconstructed; subsequent capacity ~40,200
As the club's historical place among the Top Five in England was finally vacated at the end of the 20th century, Everton's average attendances declined below the oft-quoted 36,000 level. That was until the dawn of the Moyes Era... and a lad named Wayne Rooney, whom everyone wanted to see. The average attendance for season 2003-04 was the highest in 25 years, despite accumulation of the lowest points total in the club's history!
Attendances fell back the following season after Rooney left � despite Everton finishing 4th � but the 36,000 number was exceeded during the generally dismal 2005-06 season, despite the dreadful quality of football on display. That trend stayed pretty firm through most of the subsequent Moyes years, with crowds generally around or a little above the 36,000 level, consistent with something like 4,000 seats at Goodison Park being classed as having obstructed views.
The average crowd dropped significantly, however, in 2011-12 to a level not seen in 17 years... ironically the last season when a trophy was won! Some say it was a delayed reaction to the credit crunch; others, that they had finally had enough of David Moyes's dour defensive anti-football. But optimism was renewed in 2012-13 and, buoyed by a good starts and an excellent home record, crowds topped 36,000 again.
However, it took a new manager and a bright new fresh positive outlook in the form of the mercurial Roberto Martinez to really bring the sell-out crowds back to Goodison Park in his first season, 2013-14, with a remarkable load factor off over 95%.
Via TOFFEEWEB;
THE POST-WAR ERA
Crowds were big, despite three seasons in the Second Division. And the glorious 60s saw the return of Everton as one of the biggest clubs in the country. But the 70s saw the crowds dropping off and the 80s were a bad era for English football. Progressive reductions in ground capacity at Goodison continued until Everton briefly came good under Howard Kendall but the crowds soon fell away before the Premiership resurgence really got going...
1949-50 43,932 (7) 1963-64 49,401 (1) 1977-78 39,513 (4)
1950-51 42,924 (4) 1964-65 42,062 (2) 1978-79 35,456 (5)
1951-52 37,391 (11) 1965-66 38,498 (3) 1979-80 28,711 (7)
1952-53 32,629 (12) 1966-67 42,606 (3) 1980-81 26,105 (9)
1953-54 44,493 (4) 1967-68 46,983 (2) 1981-82 24,674 (8)
1954-55 46,394 (2) 1968-69 45,958 (3) 1982-83 20,277 (9)
1955-56 42,768 (1) 1969-70 49,531 (2) 1983-84 19,343 (11)
1956-57 35,076 (7) 1970-71 41,090 (4) 1984-85 31,984 (3)
1957-58 39,157 (5) 1971-72 37,242 (7) 1985-86 32,227 (3)
1958-59 39,171 (6) 1972-73 34,471 (6) 1986-87 32,935 (3)
1959-60 40,788 (3) 1973-74 35,351 (4) 1987-88 27,771 (4)
1960-61 43,448 (2) 1974-75 40,021 (3) 1988-89 27,765 (4)
1961-62 41,432 (2) 1975-76 27,115 (12) 1989-90 26,820 (7)
1962-63 51,603 (1) 1976-77 30,046 (11) 1990-91 25,028 (9)
1991-92 23,148 (10)
tbf, I would say that our attendances were more or less tracking the national trend
THE PREMIER LEAGUE YEARS
In 1992, Sky invented football... Initially with the advent of the Premier League, despite Everton's abysmal league record (until recently) crowds were far better than the late 1970s and 1980s:
1992-93 19,504 (10) 1999-2k 34,828 (8) 2006-07 36,738 (7)
1993-94 22,876 (11*) 2000-01 33,945 (10) 2007-08 36,955 (9)
1994-95 31,291 (6) 2001-02 34,004 (10) 2008-09 35,667 (10)
1995-96 35,294 (?) 2002-03 38,820 (7) 2009-10 36,725 (8)
1996-97 36,186 (5) 2003-04 38,943 (5) 2010-11 36,039 (9)
1997-98 35,355 (6) 2004-05 36,834 (8) 2011-12 33,288 (10)
1998-99 36,203 (5) 2005-06 36,704 (7) 2012-13 36,358 (8)
2013-14 37,732 (8)
* Park End Stand being reconstructed; subsequent capacity ~40,200
As the club's historical place among the Top Five in England was finally vacated at the end of the 20th century, Everton's average attendances declined below the oft-quoted 36,000 level. That was until the dawn of the Moyes Era... and a lad named Wayne Rooney, whom everyone wanted to see. The average attendance for season 2003-04 was the highest in 25 years, despite accumulation of the lowest points total in the club's history!
Attendances fell back the following season after Rooney left � despite Everton finishing 4th � but the 36,000 number was exceeded during the generally dismal 2005-06 season, despite the dreadful quality of football on display. That trend stayed pretty firm through most of the subsequent Moyes years, with crowds generally around or a little above the 36,000 level, consistent with something like 4,000 seats at Goodison Park being classed as having obstructed views.
The average crowd dropped significantly, however, in 2011-12 to a level not seen in 17 years... ironically the last season when a trophy was won! Some say it was a delayed reaction to the credit crunch; others, that they had finally had enough of David Moyes's dour defensive anti-football. But optimism was renewed in 2012-13 and, buoyed by a good starts and an excellent home record, crowds topped 36,000 again.
However, it took a new manager and a bright new fresh positive outlook in the form of the mercurial Roberto Martinez to really bring the sell-out crowds back to Goodison Park in his first season, 2013-14, with a remarkable load factor off over 95%.
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Dymak
Player Valuation: £40m
I've been banging that drum for beards! Total no-brainer!
Sandhills train station <200 yds away, with trains in & out every five minutes. (View of the barn from platform blocked by view of the palace basking in all it's glory)
Several bus routes within 300yds.
Car parking < 1/2 mile away (Regent Rd, Stanley warehouse etc).
'Project Jennifer' (Urban regeneration) 600 yards away.
Close proximity to city centre (1 mile approx)
Waterfront view
No need or any permissions/ leasehold from peel holdings.
Beezer of a site! Nowhere else should be considered (If we MUST move, that is)
I am also in agreement that it would be the best location. I guess you could argue that there would also be no change of use either, I mean, the fields are currently used as football pitches. I also don't think we would encounter the same level of opposition as we would if we tried to proceed with the WHP plan.
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