New Everton Stadium

[Dr Baxter]

Not to mention the Scouse diaspora from the 70's and 80's living down south.

The population of the city of Liverpool is quite a bit lower than the 1970's, I'll grant you. The population of Merseyside or the newly formed Liverpool City Region is not significantly much lower than it would have been if those entities had existed in the 1950's/60's. Contrary to myth, not everybody moved down south or emigrated to Canada. Lots of people moved a few miles outside the city limits.

 

[Dr Baxter]

What's crazy is that there were Div 4 clubs charging the same as some Div 1 clubs.

What's really crazy is that despite it being relatively hugely cheaper to go to the match in 1980's, crowds were crap. Might have had something to do with grounds being rubbish and hooliganism. One in the eye for the revisionist drivel you hear in some quarters.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Ther're like West Ham or Fulham with the Willie Wonker Golden ticket....despicable club.

Chelsea won the league in the 1955 with an average crowd of nearly 50,000. We had to wait nearly a decade for our first post war title. Their highest crowd was 75,000 against Wolverhampton. They got nearly 60,000 at home to Everton. Think you have been speaking to your Kopite friends a bit too much. By the way LFC were in the second divison at the time getting pitiful crowds against no mark opponents. But as everybody knows, football was invented by Bill Shankly in the 1960's. By the way, they won a European trophy a decade and a half before we did.

 

[blulouie]

Chelsea won the league in the 1955 with an average crowd of nearly 50,000. We had to wait nearly a decade for our first post war title. Their highest crowd was 75,000 against Wolverhampton. They got nearly 60,000 at home to Everton. Think you have been speaking to your Kopite friends a bit too much. By the way LFC were in the second divison at the time getting pitiful crowds against no mark opponents. But as everybody knows, football was invented by Bill Shankly in the 1960's. By the way, they won a European trophy a decade and a half before we did.

Wow a real life Chelsea right here.
Their record compared to ours before the money came rollin in was NOTHING.
And without it they are no better than West Ham or Fulham .

 

[Dr Baxter]

Wow a real life Chelsea right here.
Their record compared to ours before the money came rollin in was NOTHING.
And without it they are no better than West Ham or Fulham .

Didn't say their record compared to ours. Just suggesting that we shouldn't let the Kopites ditacte the narrative. Neither West Ham or Fulham have ever won the league, so even if you were to have asked me the same question 30 years ago, I'd say Chelsea were a bigger club than those two.

 

[blulouie]

Didn't say their record compared to ours. Just suggesting that we shouldn't let the Kopites ditacte the narrative. Neither West Ham or Fulham have ever won the league, so even if you were to have asked me the same question 30 years ago, I'd say Chelsea were a bigger club than those two.

Never mentioned Kopites once (you did) any way as a club our is on another planet compared to thiers

 

[Dr Baxter]

Never mentioned Kopites once (you did) any way as a club our is on another planet compared to thiers

I agree. So much so, we shouldn't be taken in by that shower's version of footballing history. The way some people talk about Chelsea, you'd think they had been non league up to the Russian take over. In fact, in the modern era, they won 2 FA Cups, a league cup, and a UEFA cup before Ambramovich took over. Or Willy Wonka, if you must.

 

[blulouie]

I agree. So much so, we shouldn't be taken in by that shower's version of footballing history. The way some people talk about Chelsea, you'd think they had been non league up to the Russian take over. In fact, in the modern era, they won 2 FA Cups, a league cup, and a UEFA cup before Ambramovich took over. Or Willy Wonka, if you must.

Like it Dr B.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Just a footnote to the Chelsea thing, they EASILY had the best away support at Goodision throughout the 1980's in terms of volume of noise and were only beaten numerically by clubs were are far closer geographically.

 

[bizzaro]

Need to factor in that Liverpool is only a small city ~500k, and the surrounding areas we are competing with very successful teams- harder to attract local-ish fan area, bar London. I think we would struggle massively to attract an extra 20K. You could fill it will young 'uns but you'd have to give the tickets away. Maybe if we did create a young vocal section that might work, and foster the next gen of die-hard fans.

No it isn't. The Liverpool City Region (forget city boundaries - they are notoriously inconsistent) is anything between 1.5 and 2 million. Other than London the only 2 bigger conurbations are Birmingham and Greater Manchester.

I just don't even know where to start with DrEFC's fallacious incorrect statements or claims that Everton could not easily find another 20k match going fans.

DrBaxter is right. The so called 'scouse diaspora' was nothing of the thing. What happened post 1940's over 4 decades is that about 1/3 of the Liverpool population moved out to the suburbs, North Wales, Cheshire.

This is well known.

Not only that but DrEFC is conveniently forgetting that we have a global fanbase.

We need headroom at Everton as frankly 50 or 55k simply isn't big enough for us long term.

 

[The Esk]

I would be amazed if Everton planned to build a stadium with more than 50,000 standard seats. Combined with 5-7,000 executive seats I would expect a total capacity of 55,000.

They may build contingencies into the design to allow for a higher capacity in the future, but as I say I would not expect them to plan beyond 55,000 in the immediate future.

 

[mythbuster]

I would be amazed if Everton planned to build a stadium with more than 50,000 standard seats. Combined with 5-7,000 executive seats I would expect a total capacity of 55,000.

They may build contingencies into the design to allow for a higher capacity in the future, but as I say I would not expect them to plan beyond 55,000 in the immediate future.

I'd be happy with a 45k. It's not rocket science mate, we just need a new, better Goodison

 

[DrEFC]

I just don't even know where to start with DrEFC's fallacious incorrect statements or claims that Everton could not easily find another 20k match going fans.

DrBaxter is right. The so called 'scouse diaspora' was nothing of the thing. What happened post 1940's over 4 decades is that about 1/3 of the Liverpool population moved out to the suburbs, North Wales, Cheshire.

This is well known.

Not only that but DrEFC is conveniently forgetting that we have a global fanbase.

We need headroom at Everton as frankly 50 or 55k simply isn't big enough for us long term.

Do it? I don't mind being proven wrong. How do you show that diaspora will Rock up from Oz and Canada. You can't.

 

[kithnou]

I'd be happy with a 45k. It's not rocket science mate, we just need a new, better Goodison

I'm with you mate.

 

[DrEFC]

No it isn't. The Liverpool City Region (forget city boundaries - they are notoriously inconsistent) is anything between 1.5 and 2 million. Other than London the only 2 bigger conurbations are Birmingham and Greater Manchester.

Liverpool’s population
The first results of the 2011 Census estimate Liverpool’s population at 466,415 and that of the wider Liverpool City Region at 1,507,000. Liverpool’s population increased by an estimated 26,900 people (6.1%) between 2001 and 2011, with the greatest increases in the city centre and waterfront areas. From the government.