New Everton Stadium

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

Thought that for years - and it's right next to where I live .suits me ! Loads of pubs on the High Street too would be made up

The High Street, Smithdown, Allerton, Lark Lane. Plenty of pubs. Still terraced streets just a bit more civilised.

 

[nsno-chris]

What is the definition of a 'Tier 1 Stadium'

I would class it as a stadium of > or = 60,000 seats with a substantial (5000 minimum) hospitality section and with excellent facilities (food, drink) excellent views.

A stadium that can be used for multiple purposes (NFL, Rugby, Concerts, Hospitality and Conferencing, International football) so that it generates substantial 24/7 revenues.

Transport links are important and even if they are not immediately available form part of the long term part of the stadium planning for continuous improvement.

Obviously location for a Tier 1 Stadium is critical.


To be a Tier 1 football club. You need a Tier 1 stadium.

Our competitors are building them. 50 to 55k stadia are yesterdays news.

We need to build something for future generations with a capability to expand to 70k plus.

@davek

Where the hell do you come up with this crap.

A 60k+ stadium, and what pricing structure do you envisage to compliment this. Does it include the increased cost of policing, stewards and general staffing resources; does it include the extra overheads as well as covering the costs of when the stadium does not sell out.

And wtf is a tier 1 stadium?? What would Wembley be classed as then, or old Trafford, or are they "tier 1" as well??

 

[DrEFC]

5000 on premier league games alone is £4 million a year.

Cup games. Say around £5 to 6 million

That's potentially one or two good players a year in wages.

The difference perhaps in a league winning side or not.

I fear we build a stadium. Then find we are too constrained by it. Whilst our competitors have bigger stadia. We are left wishing we did more.

Remember. Premier league rules limit TV money wage spending increases.

Not enough ambition for me anything less than 60,000

Fair enough. Lets be ambitious, and seeing you're a knowledge on all things- how to we get extra bums on seats at full price? Is it just Scouse diaspora (as tbf RS/Mancs fans travel an average of 80+miles compared to our 40), or do we make competitive tourist packages? Maybe involve local hotel/tours?

@bizzaro mate? Just thought could you help us with some thoughts?

 

[EFC78]

So you're saying we are a smaller football club than West Ham, Spurs, Manchester City and so forth?

As I would say it is true that we could fill a 60k+ stadium

As have several other posters who agreed with the tiered pricing structure principles.

How did you reach that opinion? But as you've mentioned it, Man City clearly have more to offer than us at the moment and so do Spurs. West Ham will be the new Man City and are based in London so that helps them.

Not sure what that has to do with us though? Man City have been champions recently and have one of the richest billionaires in World Football funding them so have the demand or potential demand for 60,000 seats. Tottenham are going for the title, have had regular European Football recently, with a few seasons in the CL, and are a London club. West Ham are moving to the Olympic Stadium without having to worry about building a new stadium from their own wallets and are looking like they could become a top 6 side.

We on the other hand are currently a mid table side, have had the odd season in the Europa League and are based outside of London. I think even with our lack of success etc, our fanbase speaks for itself when you look at our away support and other things and a 50,000-55,000 Stadium would be suitable initially. Then if we make the progress Man City have in recent years with title challenges, CL football and world class stars joining the club we would be able to attract 60,000+. That's a big IF though and in my opinion we will need to wait and see IF that actually happens.

I can see that you're wanting us to be ambitious, and there isn't anything wrong with that, but some of your points here are reaching Geordie levels of delusion.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

How did you reach that opinion? But as you've mentioned it, Man City clearly have more to offer than us at the moment and so do Spurs. West Ham will be the new Man City and are based in London so that helps them.

Not sure what that has to do with us though? Man City have been champions recently and have one of the richest billionaires in World Football funding them so have the demand or potential demand for 60,000 seats. Tottenham are going for the title, have had regular European Football recently, with a few seasons in the CL, and are a London club. West Ham are moving to the Olympic Stadium without having to worry about building a new stadium from their own wallets and are looking like they could become a top 6 side.

We on the other hand are currently a mid table side, have had the odd season in the Europa League and are based outside of London. I think even with our lack of success etc, our fanbase speaks for itself when you look at our away support and other things and a 50,000-55,000 Stadium would be suitable initially. Then if we make the progress Man City have in recent years with title challenges, CL football and world class stars joining the club we would be able to attract 60,000+. That's a big IF though and in my opinion we will need to wait and see IF that actually happens.

I can see that you're wanting us to be ambitious, and there isn't anything wrong with that, but some of your points here are reaching Geordie levels of delusion.

In short, Roberto has caused us all to lower our expectations.

 

[EFC78]

In short, Roberto has caused us all to lower our expectations.

21 years without a trophy has as well.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

21 years without a trophy has as well.

You're right. That doesn't help to raise our expectations either.
What we have to factor in though is that all teams have increased their average attendance since the advent of the Premier League. This should give us more reason to believe that we can fill a much bigger stadium than Goodison Park, even if we don't set the world alight in the Moshiri era. Have a look at some of the "crowds" in the eighties when we were setting the world alight.

 

[The Esk]

See previous post.

He's going to keep any debts well away from the club. It is also obvious any such debts will be offset by him by selling some of his shares (at increased value) to other investors. In the 3 to 5 year timeframe.

I think that is his plan.

He'll still be the major investor but he will have turned EFC into a TIER 1 club with a TIER 1 stadium.

Offset construction costs / investment - by a share dilution.

@The Esk

Have to disagree with this I'm afraid.

I'm pretty certain any stadium development/Goodison re-development will carry a fairly substantial amount of debt. I think Mr Moshiri will make a significant capital injection into the club prior to the start of the stadium project (I would guess at £100-150 million) and fund the rest of the stadium construction/re-development through debt.

A 55,000 seat stadium is likely to cost in the region of £250-300 million, so I can see debt of anywhere between £100 - £200 million.

Bear in mind that our new Board member is a banker specialising in debt markets.

 

[The Esk]

@The Esk

Tiered pricing.

Kids would be as proposed for 2016/2017.

Students get a further discount on proposed.

OAPs would get similar to as proposed

would look to give all the above specials for particular lower demand matches

For general. Would look to where possible reduce tickets by around another £5. That would cover transport costs that make up the bulk of peoples other matchday costs. Particularly focused on lower demand games i.e. tiered game categories.

And or with improved food/drink provision in the stadium would look to get that back to a degree.

This would be for three years initial to boost chances of max capacity.

Other reasons for 60,000+

Include leasing the stadium for other events.

Rugby
NFL
World Cup/Euros
Conferences
Concerts

Etc

You don't get these things without the needed capacity. 60 - 65 makes us competitive for them

Bear in mind my comments about the levels of debt we are likely to carry post stadium construction/re-development we need to generate sufficient cash per seat to meet the construction and debt servicing costs.

Hence my comments about a capacity that can be realistically met at a price that does not impact cash flow too significantly. The balance between executive and standard seating is critical as the executive seating will cover the negative cash flow arising from the additional standard seating.

A capacity of 55,000 with executive seating of between 5,000 and 7,000 is achievable - 7,000 executive seats is fairly aggressive, 5,000 a more realistic aim.

A design which allows for stadium expansion should the demand arise is, of course, a sensible strategy at this time.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

You're right. That doesn't help to raise our expectations either.
What we have to factor in though is that all teams have increased their average attendance since the advent of the Premier League. This should give us more reason to believe that we can fill a much bigger stadium than Goodison Park, even if we don't set the world alight in the Moshiri era. Have a look at some of the "crowds" in the eighties when we were setting the world alight.

In relative terms though mate between 1984-87 only United and the RS(marginally)had better average attendances than us,dark days for footy in general although not for uslol

 

[bizzaro]

How did you reach that opinion? But as you've mentioned it, Man City clearly have more to offer than us at the moment and so do Spurs. West Ham will be the new Man City and are based in London so that helps them.

Not sure what that has to do with us though? Man City have been champions recently and have one of the richest billionaires in World Football funding them so have the demand or potential demand for 60,000 seats. Tottenham are going for the title, have had regular European Football recently, with a few seasons in the CL, and are a London club. West Ham are moving to the Olympic Stadium without having to worry about building a new stadium from their own wallets and are looking like they could become a top 6 side.

We on the other hand are currently a mid table side, have had the odd season in the Europa League and are based outside of London. I think even with our lack of success etc, our fanbase speaks for itself when you look at our away support and other things and a 50,000-55,000 Stadium would be suitable initially. Then if we make the progress Man City have in recent years with title challenges, CL football and world class stars joining the club we would be able to attract 60,000+. That's a big IF though and in my opinion we will need to wait and see IF that actually happens.

I can see that you're wanting us to be ambitious, and there isn't anything wrong with that, but some of your points here are reaching Geordie levels of delusion.

Geordie levels of delusion?

Really?

That is an extraordinary comment to make. You're just prepared to accept second best not 'nothing but the best'

I find that unnacceptable.

@davek

 

[timmyistop]

Geordie levels of delusion?

Really?

That is an extraordinary comment to make. You're just prepared to accept second best not 'nothing but the best'

I find that unnacceptable.

@davek

I am with you Davek - 60k plus, its about a statement of where we are going to be , rather than we have have been for the last 20 years.

 

[barneygumble]

I do believe we should be looking at 55,000 personally.

The idea that we'd be held back by only having 50,000 is a very valid one. 50,000 is still smaller than Anfield, and you could make extra money from other commercial interests such as concerts, narrow margins.... perhaps.

But 55,000 is the right size for a club of our stature. Charge a tad less (£30 instead of £35), and i truly believe we'd sell 50,000 a game.

 

[EFC78]

Geordie levels of delusion?

Really?

That is an extraordinary comment to make. You're just prepared to accept second best not 'nothing but the best'

I find that unnacceptable.

@davek

We've not won the league for 29 years, a trophy for 21, have only played a few seasons in Europe (but not the CL) in the Premier League era and are currently sat in 12th place after finishing 11th last season. I'm just being realistic about where we are as a club at this moment in time.

Of course with Moshiri now backing us we have the chance to change all that so that's a positive, but I don't feel we're at the level you're suggesting we are yet.

We may traditionally be bigger than Spurs and Man City, and our league title haul puts both to shame, but that is pretty irrelevant at this point in time. That's why I mentioned Geordie levels of delusion because it doesn't really matter if we see Man City as a club who used to fight it out with clubs like Gillingham in the third tier, because they can attract players like Sergio Aguero and managers like Pep Guardiola and quite simply, we can't.

Hopefully that will all change in the next decade and then claims of us being able to fill a 60,000 stadium will seem a lot more realistic to me. As I said in an earlier post, historical facts suggest that with success we can be one of the best attended clubs in this country as we are one of only 6 clubs to average over 50,000 in a single season and our record attendance is the 4th highest in English football.

 

[rochdaleblue]

I do believe we should be looking at 55,000 personally.

The idea that we'd be held back by only having 50,000 is a very valid one. 50,000 is still smaller than Anfield, and you could make extra money from other commercial interests such as concerts, narrow margins.... perhaps.

But 55,000 is the right size for a club of our stature. Charge a tad less (£30 instead of £35), and i truly believe we'd sell 50,000 a game.

I agree. Affordable pricing and good facilities, not to mention a successful team. Also what can't be dismissed is the increase in away support. Let's face it stuck in their present position in the corner of the Bullens rd must be one of the worst parts of the ground to view a game. They like our fans will come to Everton away in their numbers if you give them the facilities. The £30 away tickets is long overdue.