New Everton Stadium

[Deleted member 41045]

The problem with the Ferries, as great as it would be, is that they're not a fast enough mass transport system.
They were designed to carry 1200 people, but nowadays its about 650 safely. You can't really have them queued up behind each other either as they take a while to embark/disembark.

If the ferries shifted approx 3000 people in the 90 minutes before the match starts that would be good and it's only 6 boat loads. The main problem would be factoring in a constantly changing Premier timetable. You would still have to arrive at the ferry by a lift, taxi, shanks pony or public transport though due to parking. I'd pay a fiver for that.

 

[Mrtallywacker]

If the ferries shifted approx 3000 people in the 90 minutes before the match starts that would be good and it's only 6 boat loads. The main problem would be factoring in a constantly changing Premier timetable. You would still have to arrive at the ferry by a lift, taxi, shanks pony or public transport though due to parking. I'd pay a fiver for that.

 

[Deleted member 41045]

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[allen]

Any plans to incorporate some of the famous details off the old stands? Or anything that does pay tribute to the old lady? Now that would be great.

There certainly was a plan to take 1,878 seats from Goodison and put them in the new ground, but I haven’t heard much about that since the initial design was unveiled.

I presume they would be the wooden seats from the Bullens or something - as opposed to sun-faded plastic ones from the Park End. That’d just be weird.

 

[peteblue]

I'm looking forward to going too, sorry if I have given the wrong impression. It's not that I don't think we should move, we definitely should, it's not that I don't think the new stadium is the right approach, compared with Destination Kirkby it's a dream come true. My point, I suppose, is that it is a completely new start and my fear is that it will fundamentally change what the club is all about. That might be for the better, of course, but my fear is that we become another corporate club focused more on hospitality and foreign markets than the community that made the club what it currently is. I'm probably worrying over nothing and the bigger worry is keeping the club in the Premier League and solvent!

I think your view is perfectly valid and reasonable. Remember when we put Corporate boxes in, all the various match day offerings in lounges, things always move on. However the ground will still be in Liverpool, we will not be invaded by Norwegians, Evertonians will still take up the ‘corporate’ seats and the same fans will turn up. We are not, thank god, a ‘brand’ and I don’t think we will go down that route. I think we will generate a similar atmosphere to now, but without the pillars and the crappy toilets and services…….

 

[catcherintherye]

I think your view is perfectly valid and reasonable. Remember when we put Corporate boxes in, all the various match day offerings in lounges, things always move on. However the ground will still be in Liverpool, we will not be invaded by Norwegians, Evertonians will still take up the ‘corporate’ seats and the same fans will turn up. We are not, thank god, a ‘brand’ and I don’t think we will go down that route. I think we will generate a similar atmosphere to now, but without the pillars and the crappy toilets and services…….

I think the club is still stuck in the 80's in it's mindset mate, both in terms of football and socially. Liverpool is a thriving city, with lots of wealth and business dotted around and investment being attracted all the time. There's also loads of international blues, and Evertonian's who've moved away and made a few quid as well. We should be being far more aggressive in our approach to hospitality seats, but I'd also like to see a "semi premium" set of tickets available too.

There's loads of blues, who would pay a fair whack to watch the team, but the club are very bad at extracting that revenue.

 

[peteblue]

I think the club is still stuck in the 80's in it's mindset mate, both in terms of football and socially. Liverpool is a thriving city, with lots of wealth and business dotted around and investment being attracted all the time. There's also loads of international blues, and Evertonian's who've moved away and made a few quid as well. We should be being far more aggressive in our approach to hospitality seats, but I'd also like to see a "semi premium" set of tickets available too.

There's loads of blues, who would pay a fair whack to watch the team, but the club are very bad at extracting that revenue.

I agree, but stadium revenue is not the be all and end all as it used to be……

 

[catcherintherye]

I agree, but stadium revenue is not the be all and end all as it used to be……

Not at all mate. But I do think it's linked in. You kind of set a culture of expectations, and that the impresses sponsors more broadly.

I still can't believe we brag about selling out hospitality, in May, for the following season, every year. And nobody has ever thought that they might want to put the prices up.

I've never worked for a business like it. In every business I've been involved with, they use that as firm evidence to increase prices. And I'm not at the elite end of business at all.

 

[peteblue]

Not at all mate. But I do think it's linked in. You kind of set a culture of expectations, and that the impresses sponsors more broadly.

I still can't believe we brag about selling out hospitality, in May, for the following season, every year. And nobody has ever thought that they might want to put the prices up.

I've never worked for a business like it. In every business I've been involved with, they use that as firm evidence to increase prices. And I'm not at the elite end of business at all.

I agree, we have underpriced against the RS for decades….

 

[catcherintherye]

I agree, we have underpriced against the RS for decades….

Which is fair enough too, objectively. I just think the club acts like it's the 80's again, and everyone is skint etc. There's no doubt it's a working class club, and we do lots of good with the community work, but honestly I think there's more potential there. And we also have to get outside of that mentality a bit. The clubs not a charity.

 

[windymiller]

I think your view is perfectly valid and reasonable. Remember when we put Corporate boxes in, all the various match day offerings in lounges, things always move on. However the ground will still be in Liverpool, we will not be invaded by Norwegians, Evertonians will still take up the ‘corporate’ seats and the same fans will turn up. We are not, thank god, a ‘brand’ and I don’t think we will go down that route. I think we will generate a similar atmosphere to now, but without the pillars and the crappy toilets and services…….

I think the club is still stuck in the 80's in it's mindset mate, both in terms of football and socially. Liverpool is a thriving city, with lots of wealth and business dotted around and investment being attracted all the time. There's also loads of international blues, and Evertonian's who've moved away and made a few quid as well. We should be being far more aggressive in our approach to hospitality seats, but I'd also like to see a "semi premium" set of tickets available too.

There's loads of blues, who would pay a fair whack to watch the team, but the club are very bad at extracting that revenue.

Not at all mate. But I do think it's linked in. You kind of set a culture of expectations, and that the impresses sponsors more broadly.

I still can't believe we brag about selling out hospitality, in May, for the following season, every year. And nobody has ever thought that they might want to put the prices up.

I've never worked for a business like it. In every business I've been involved with, they use that as firm evidence to increase prices. And I'm not at the elite end of business at all.

Which is fair enough too, objectively. I just think the club acts like it's the 80's again, and everyone is skint etc. There's no doubt it's a working class club, and we do lots of good with the community work, but honestly I think there's more potential there. And we also have to get outside of that mentality a bit. The clubs not a charity.

This is what I'm talking about. The club's not a charity but what Catcher is proposing means it's not a "club" either, it would be no different to a broadband supplier, an airline or a supermarket. If the only thing that counts is capturing market share or extracting the most cash possible from the market you have then the "club" aspect of the business is gone and it's just a business like any other and, frankly, the amount of value I am getting from the club as a pure consumer (setting a side being a fan) is basically zero at the moment. If our relationship is purely transactional then what am I getting out of the deal? High quality football? No. Successful cup runs? No. The "product" is crap currently, and yet fans turn up anyway. Why? Because this is not purely about purchasing a ticket for a form of entertainment. It is about belonging to something. It is not the same as going to the cinema or to an amusement park. If you do think it is the same as that, then nobody could complain if traditional fans abandon the club. This is exactly my worry.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Lots of interesting points. Remember when going the match and which part of the ground you went in was a simple choice? If you were young or unemployed/skint you stood up downstairs. If you were working or had a few bob you sat upstairs. Easy! I can remember the first time i sat in the upper Gwladys St (as opposed to standing on the terrace beneath). I couldn't believe that I'd persisted with standing for so long for the sake of another pound or 2. There was a clear improvement in view and relative comfort etc.

The club has tried to gauge the appetite for corporate and corporate lite capacity but I'm not sure if they've got it right. As I said, previously there was an obvious step up between upstairs and downstairs in the double-decker format ..... there appears to be a less clear margin in the new bowl layout with most benefit coming from improved "back of house" lounge space. I agree that the 80s were bleak for the working class but as ever, the middle class in the city weren't doing as bad. I also think we probably had a stronger fanbase in some respects as we still had the older generation who had witnessed the successes and 70k+ attendances of yesteryear. Yes we could've increased costs but what if we're only filling the place because of those bargain seats? What if we're at the optimim price for our capacity? West ham had to reduce their prices to fill their new place.... we can't do that as we're paying for it.

 

[ste d' indica]

Worst case scenario Lou, we go down and anyone doing drone footage can film me as I replicate my 1991 Body pop Northwest champions dance right in the middle of where the stadium should have been. I've got some disco strobe lights that I got from Cash Converters and I'm not afraid to rig them up on the 4 corner towers.

I believe that with all the donations that will take place during my 6 minute routine, I can raise enough money not only to cover the stadium build, but also bribe all the championship referees to ensure our swift return to the Premier League and purchase Connor Gallagher from Chelsea with the change

This actually looks like our most viable funding model. Everton that.

 

[ste d' indica]

I just think the club acts like it's the 80's again, and everyone is skint etc.

They might accidentally be ahead of the curve for once!

 

[Dixieslaces]

This is what I'm talking about. The club's not a charity but what Catcher is proposing means it's not a "club" either, it would be no different to a broadband supplier, an airline or a supermarket. If the only thing that counts is capturing market share or extracting the most cash possible from the market you have then the "club" aspect of the business is gone and it's just a business like any other and, frankly, the amount of value I am getting from the club as a pure consumer (setting a side being a fan) is basically zero at the moment. If our relationship is purely transactional then what am I getting out of the deal? High quality football? No. Successful cup runs? No. The "product" is crap currently, and yet fans turn up anyway. Why? Because this is not purely about purchasing a ticket for a form of entertainment. It is about belonging to something. It is not the same as going to the cinema or to an amusement park. If you do think it is the same as that, then nobody could complain if traditional fans abandon the club. This is exactly my worry.

Good post mate!