New Everton Stadium

Liverpool Council have pushed their luck with granting all that new development by the docks, a brand new stadium might be the straw that breaks the camels back and world heritage status could be taken away. Having said that, I dont envisage Everton building a stadium all that close to the World Heritage site, if we ever built it would be far enough north.
 

Liverpool Council have pushed their luck with granting all that new development by the docks, a brand new stadium might be the straw that breaks the camels back and world heritage status could be taken away. Having said that, I dont envisage Everton building a stadium all that close to the World Heritage site, if we ever built it would be far enough north.

The docks in question are completely derelict. There is literally nothing on the land. They're not part of any kind of heritage preservation status. Peel Holdings already have planning permission to build skyscrapers on them. They just haven't found anyone willing to do so in the last 4 years.

Any stadium wouldn't be built in front of the Liver Buildings. This isn't the Kings Dock 2, this is further along the edge of the Mersey.
 

The talk of the waterfront got me thinking.
If it were to happen, is it based on buying the land from Peel Holdings and developing it, or developing it in conjunction with Peel Holdings?
Reason I ask is in the case of the Trafford Centre, the finance was connected to bonds securitized on future income.
Another point is that Peel seem to look for capital growth in the value of their buildings, but (in my humble opinion) there is not a great deal of hope for this in respect of a sports venue given that only occasional use could be made of it for other purposes, unless you start going down the retractable pitch route which would require a larger site.
Just musing out loud here so be gentle.
 
The only thing I'd ask is that we are still close to the pitch. Olympic stadium is going to be a joke imo
lollollol Seriously though how bad is that?
All them season tickets sold & they could get a better view with a dodgy stream...whilst suffering from gluecomma!!
 
The docks in question are completely derelict. There is literally nothing on the land. They're not part of any kind of heritage preservation status. Peel Holdings already have planning permission to build skyscrapers on them. They just haven't found anyone willing to do so in the last 4 years.

Any stadium wouldn't be built in front of the Liver Buildings. This isn't the Kings Dock 2, this is further along the edge of the Mersey.

Not sure that's right mate. According to this, the WHS extends to Stanley Dock, and other areas of the city: “Liverpool’s World Heritage Site covers the waterfront from Albert Dock to Stanley Dock, and up through the historic commercial districts and the RopeWalks area to the cultural quarter around St George’s Hall.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-could-see-unesco-ban-9821305
 
Why exactly must we keep the run down docks in question as they are for the sake of "heritage" ? I understand the preservation of buildings and sites which hold significant cultural relevance or interest but I can't see how that applies here.
We sent plenty of your relatives off to Patagonia from those docks and we will happily do it again.
 
The city of Dresden got rid of its UNESCO/World heritage site status into the name of progress and jobs , the city of Liverpool can do the same.

Why exactly must we keep the run down docks in question as they are for the sake of "heritage" ? I understand the preservation of buildings and sites which hold significant cultural relevance or interest but I can't see how that applies here.

They're not part of any kind of heritage preservation status. This isn't the Kings Dock 2, this is further along the edge of the Mersey.

Yes @Julius Geezer and many in the city, including big Joe are pushing to get rid of the UNESCO WH Status as they see it as holding back the city's future developments. From the research I've done with them, there are active and ongoing attempts within the council to look beyond the UNESCO limitations. UNESCO obviously don't like that and are trying to do things on their own terms, which is why we've remained on the 'World Heritage in Danger' list for years now.
@Brennan Whilst having the badge of UNESCO is still seen as good for the city's tourism, this was more the case 10 years ago than it is now. Since 2008, the WH status has become a minor factor in bringing people in to the city, and so that's why we've seen a push for investment like Peel's Liverpool Waters to go ahead, and why there still seems to be optimism surrounding any stadium at the waterfront. But it isn't as simple as that. There are agencies like Historic England and even the state government who see the protection of the waterfront as superior to infrastructural investment, and that's where attempts at devolution become interesting. They argue that any developments along this stretch to the North would "irreversibly damage" the skyline (largely around building heights- so it would be interesting to see whether a proposed stadium would pass these current restrictions), and a threat to "historic authenticity" which is a ludicrously subjective statement as can be expected.
@BoysInBlue From reading the Echo article, it sounds like they may try to incorporate it in to the Peel project, in which case I'd see it as seriously unlikely. Peel are practically UNESCO's public enemy no.1, so we'd have to ditch the status of quick to get anything done. If it is actually further down like you say (is there a link for that?) then it would have slightly more legs perhaps. Transport would be a big hurdle though with what's already there, plus you're limited in building back towards the city in that case.

These drafts, discussions, oppositions, responses and re-drafts go on for beards, which makes me think that when Joe was saying he was "confident" of a stadium being built within 3 years, he wasn't favouring the Docks.
 

The docks in question are completely derelict. There is literally nothing on the land. They're not part of any kind of heritage preservation status. Peel Holdings already have planning permission to build skyscrapers on them. They just haven't found anyone willing to do so in the last 4 years.

Any stadium wouldn't be built in front of the Liver Buildings. This isn't the Kings Dock 2, this is further along the edge of the Mersey.

True this, that land in question had a power station on until about 1992, remember then three chimney's, the Ugly Sisters, been empty ever since, no listed buildings around there at all. Im sure it was one of the first places we ever talked about building on going way back.
 
Liverpool Council have pushed their luck with granting all that new development by the docks, a brand new stadium might be the straw that breaks the camels back and world heritage status could be taken away. Having said that, I dont envisage Everton building a stadium all that close to the World Heritage site, if we ever built it would be far enough north.

I'm not sure getting rid of the WH site would be that catastrophic, to be honest. It has done good stuff for us in the last decade with tourism, but today its just seen as an irritating hurdle for city planners. Suppose it contributes to 'civic pride' and all that, but yeah waterfront development is- in the blueprints at least- hot property in a Port city.
 
We want it to happen therefore in Evertonland it won't.

You've learned nothing people.

Moshiri hasn't come here to mess around mate. 3 years tv money will pay for a new stadium.

He's an investor. Pump £300 million into a new stadium now, and the club will be worth more than a billion in 10-15 years time.

That's the only way to make a profit on a football club. There's no quick fix profit unless you're planning on carpet bagging. For a prime example of what I'm talking about; let's remember that Billy Kenwright acquired a majority shareholding for somewhere in the £20 million range.
 
Not sure that's right mate. According to this, the WHS extends to Stanley Dock, and other areas of the city: “Liverpool’s World Heritage Site covers the waterfront from Albert Dock to Stanley Dock, and up through the historic commercial districts and the RopeWalks area to the cultural quarter around St George’s Hall.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-could-see-unesco-ban-9821305

Trafalgar Dock is the rumoured site. Towards Sandhills.
 

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