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New Everton Stadium

maverick94 said:
Yes @Julius Geezer and many in the city, including big Joe are pushing to get rid of the UNESCO WH Status as they see it as holding back the city's future developments. From the research I've done with them, there are active and ongoing attempts within the council to look beyond the UNESCO limitations. UNESCO obviously don't like that and are trying to do things on their own terms, which is why we've remained on the 'World Heritage in Danger' list for years now.
@Brennan Whilst having the badge of UNESCO is still seen as good for the city's tourism, this was more the case 10 years ago than it is now. Since 2008, the WH status has become a minor factor in bringing people in to the city, and so that's why we've seen a push for investment like Peel's Liverpool Waters to go ahead, and why there still seems to be optimism surrounding any stadium at the waterfront. But it isn't as simple as that. There are agencies like Historic England and even the state government who see the protection of the waterfront as superior to infrastructural investment, and that's where attempts at devolution become interesting. They argue that any developments along this stretch to the North would "irreversibly damage" the skyline (largely around building heights- so it would be interesting to see whether a proposed stadium would pass these current restrictions), and a threat to "historic authenticity" which is a ludicrously subjective statement as can be expected.
@BoysInBlue From reading the Echo article, it sounds like they may try to incorporate it in to the Peel project, in which case I'd see it as seriously unlikely. Peel are practically UNESCO's public enemy no.1, so we'd have to ditch the status of quick to get anything done. If it is actually further down like you say (is there a link for that?) then it would have slightly more legs perhaps. Transport would be a big hurdle though with what's already there, plus you're limited in building back towards the city in that case.

These drafts, discussions, oppositions, responses and re-drafts go on for beards, which makes me think that when Joe was saying he was "confident" of a stadium being built within 3 years, he wasn't favouring the Docks.
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Is "ditching" the World Heritage status a hard thing to do?

Would it not just be a matter of saying as a city that we don't want it no moah?

Or are there huge grants from UNESCO which make this course of action untenable?
 
Khalekan said:
Is "ditching" the World Heritage status a hard thing to do?

Would it not just be a matter of saying as a city that we don't want it no moah?

Or are there huge grants from UNESCO which make this course of action untenable?
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No huge grants as far as I know, otherwise you could make a strong case for keeping it. Just a lot of public support for the city's heritage which isn't trusted with the city council at the moment, and you can see why (take the planned demolition of the Futurist for example). In theory it should be quite easy, as there's no binding legal ramifications from UNESCO. I believe Dresden simply went ahead and built, ignoring the threat of their WH site going. It wouldn't surprise me if we did ditch UNESCO too soon, but the council would have a lot to answer for if they just went ahead with Liverpool Waters, the stadium and who knows what else as soon as they did. That would be quite rightly an unpopular move.
 

kithnou said:
So what do your locals think about Trafalgar Dock as a possible location then?
Please educate the rest of us.
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Crap! The outstanding site in the city is the William Collins Playing Fields. The other outstanding site (outside of the city boundary) is Crosby Marina.
 
Someone more educated over planning/ownership issues needs to come on here and give us some facts about the waterfront option in particular - given that Stonebridge Cross is a no-no as far as me and most evertonians are concerned.

The rumour about Canada Dock was started by someone on the peoples forum on Sunday before Mondays news blitz about WHP not happening and the two sites the club and council are discussing.

We wake up Monday with North Docks or Stonebridge Cross as the two options. Is Canada Dock part of the North Docks?

But someone on here said Canada Dock is not likely available for development.

Yet they also say that Liverpool Waters land owned by Peel and earmarked (long term) for other developments like skyscrapers is maybe available.

Suddenly wishful thinkers on here are pasting Goodison in Peel owned Liverpool waters.

But that Liverpool waters area is world heritage status and a football stadium would annoy unesco types as much as skyscrapers do.

Given we have a new billionaire owner wouldn't it be much better we ploughed a couple of hundred million into rebuilding Goodison instead of moving?
 
Dixie D said:
lollollol Seriously though how bad is that?
All them season tickets sold & they could get a better view with a dodgy stream...whilst suffering from gluecomma!!
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Sadly if you go check out some of the pics from when they held some rugby matches there, apart from one stand, it's not that bad.
 

BoysInBlue said:
The docks in question are completely derelict. There is literally nothing on the land. They're not part of any kind of heritage preservation status. Peel Holdings already have planning permission to build skyscrapers on them. They just haven't found anyone willing to do so in the last 4 years.

Any stadium wouldn't be built in front of the Liver Buildings. This isn't the Kings Dock 2, this is further along the edge of the Mersey.
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Actually, that very section, the Trafalgar docks has height restrictions placed on any development. Even if you look at the LW plans, you'll notice a very definate change in heights. The other thing to consider here is the loading on the ground and the ensuing effect on the tunnel which runs pretty close to that site.

To satisfy UNESCO, any development on that part of land cannot obscure or detract from the existing buildings covered under the heritage banner. As I have said on Twitter a few times yesterday, our UNESCO status is at risk anyway, so any decision on that could be huge for us. I say bin it, and lets move forwards as a city, improve the skyline, not just preserve it. In 120yrs time, the new skyline could be protected.
 
mrsnugfit said:
Someone more educated over planning/ownership issues needs to come on here and give us some facts about the waterfront option in particular - given that Stonebridge Cross is a no-no as far as me and most evertonians are concerned.

The rumour about Canada Dock was started by someone on the peoples forum on Sunday before Mondays news blitz about WHP not happening and the two sites the club and council are discussing.

We wake up Monday with North Docks or Stonebridge Cross as the two options. Is Canada Dock part of the North Docks?

But someone on here said Canada Dock is not likely available for development.

Yet they also say that Liverpool Waters land owned by Peel and earmarked (long term) for other developments like skyscrapers is maybe available.

Suddenly wishful thinkers on here are pasting Goodison in Peel owned Liverpool waters.

But that Liverpool waters area is world heritage status and a football stadium would annoy unesco types as much as skyscrapers do.

Given we have a new billionaire owner wouldn't it be much better we ploughed a couple of hundred million into rebuilding Goodison instead of moving?
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Ultimately, without knowing the exact site and given the nature of town planning (objectors, committees, appeals etc) it's impossible to give a definitive answer with regards to the success of a scheme. There are far too many variables. However, if the club have worked with the council in determining a potential site, any scheme which would have an overriding regeneration potential/ positive economic impacts would likely get the go ahead.
 

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